Military SF

Nice. I never knew that about Harrison's Bill, the Galactic Hero series being a response to Starship Troopers.

I have to wonder if Heinlein regretted serving in the Navy in between the two World Wars, both of which and especially the second were much more popular for their times than was Haldeman's Vietnam War, in which he was also conscripted.
 
I have to wonder if Heinlein regretted serving in the Navy in between the two World Wars, both of which and especially the second were much more popular for their times than was Haldeman's Vietnam War, in which he was also conscripted.

You mean regretted not serving in one of the actual wars? I'm not sure, but likely. That is one of the odd points about Heinlein and the military - yes, he served, but he never saw combat. And, while ST is about service, it features a great amount of combat. But, as Haldeman points out (and many others) combat experience isn't a prerequisite (Stephen Crane) for verisimilitude but it still casts an interesting light on some of his life and work. I'm thinking of something like Sehnsucht, though that's probably not quite right - but a longing for a known thing that never was, anyway. Whereas Haldeman, having experienced it the way he did, has no longing at all for what actually was.

However, while I "proportionally" completely agree with what you say about the various wars, I'd emphasize that WWI was not really popular, to my understanding. It's kind of retroactively seen in a similar light as WWII but America was pretty isolationist then and didn't see much sense in getting involved in what was (in dynamics, if not scope) initially just another European war. But, yeah, definitely much less unpopular than Viet Nam.
 
However, while I "proportionally" completely agree with what you say about the various wars, I'd emphasize that WWI was not really popular, to my understanding.

I mean relatively popular to Vietnam anyway. And I agree WWI was not popular to begin with, but anti-German hysteria and a robust propaganda campaign changed that. The public falling in line with "defeating the Hun" and "a war to end all wars." Attempts at neutrality were similar at the beginning of WWII even and then Pearl Harbor happened.
 
I don't know if anyone has mentioned the "Defending the Future" anthologies edited by Mike McPhail. I'm only familiar with the last one, "No Man's Land," (full disclosure, I have a story in there), but David Weber wrote the intro and was very complimentary of the stories. At least anthologies have the advantage of giving a wide sampling of authors and scenarios.
 
You should try this new guy. His book is named Galaxies of War.

createspace.com/3704816
 
Another tough heroine is Tanya Huff's Torin Kerr. Her Valor series depicts a futuristic military in which not only are women fully integrated into the military (Torin is a marine), but other sentient species are as well, making for an interesting mix when going into battle.
 
Germline's thoroughly recommended. It seemed very harsh, but for all that truer. Really enjoyable.
 
I've just started reading John Ringo's Posleen books, and am about 100 pages from finishing his Gust Front. These books are great! Amidst all the alien invasion madness he's just introduced a group of Benedictine monk commandos. How cool is that? He's a really prolific writer and I've heard his more recent stuff is not so hot, but so far this guy is fantastic.
 
I've just started reading John Ringo's Posleen books, and am about 100 pages from finishing his Gust Front. These books are great! Amidst all the alien invasion madness he's just introduced a group of Benedictine monk commandos. How cool is that? He's a really prolific writer and I've heard his more recent stuff is not so hot, but so far this guy is fantastic.

I enjoyed this series a great deal. I also found his Kildar series to be very enjoyable. I think maybe my favorite series by him starts with Hot Gate although I am cutting a fine hair to make that distinction with the other series. :D
 
I've also heard great things about Linda Nagata's current series.

I loved the first part of the first book but then it nosedived for me and I haven't been interested in following the sequels. Quite possible I'm wrong and I should get over the part I didn't like but that's the way it seemed to me. Still, I get why it's gotten attention and a lot of folks might like it.
 
I agree with the reservations that earlier posters have raised about military SF, and why I've never really got into it. To begin with, I get the feeling that a fair proportion of it is simply “X Soldiers In Space”: usually the US marines, but sometimes one of the armies that pop culture inaccurately depicts as superhuman: Vikings or SS or Spartans or the like. I’m not sure that this makes for good SF where the setting is skewed to give the super soldiers the chance to be awesome. Only an idiot would fight a giant robot space-knight face on; he’d blow up the stores where the space knight kept the spare batteries for his Suit of Uber-Mecha-Awesomeness, sneak off and wait for him to run dry. And then push him over. Also, even leaving its politics out, I think Starship Troopers is a boring book, and I’m wary of a genre that sees it as one of the sacred texts.

In fact, one of the most convincing SF books I’ve read to deal with the military isn’t a story in the usual sense: Lee Brimmicombe-Wood’s Colonial Marines Technical Manual, which is an attempt to give back-story to the setting of Aliens. It actually covers problems of supply across space, logistics, budget and so on as well as just how great the soldiers are.

Of course, I don’t want to suggest that all military SF is as I’ve described and I don’t want to rubbish it as a genre, just that I’m wary of wading in because a lot of it probably isn’t to my tastes. I may well be unfairly tarring it with the same brush. Also, I probably have no right to say this. I’ve written for Games Workshop and the working title of Space Captain Smith was “Space Biggles”, but there’s a level of tongue-in-cheekness there which hopefully helps.
 
I know of one recently published SF military book that's pretty good. Or so the reviewers are telling me. Cough. But I agree with Toby. There is a lot of rather bland, badly written military SF out there.
 
I can't believe that we are 3 pages in and no-one has mentioned Falkenberg's Legion yet (Falkenberg's Legion series by Jerry Pournelle) really enjoyed that.

Also enjoyed the 1st 2 books of the Crimson Worlds series (Crimson Worlds Collection I). That's not to say books 3+ are no good, I just haven't read them yet

I'll echo John Ringo's Hot Gates series (Live Free or Die (Troy Rising, #1)) - terrific fun and they rattle along at a fair pace. I will put in a warning here though JR can be quite a right-wing political writer who I'd imagine is more Ronald Reagan than Obama ;) (as an example his heroes in The Watch on the Rhine are rejuve'd SS troopers)

Terms of Enlistment - Marko Kloos (Amazon.com: Terms of Enlistment (Frontlines) (9781477809785): Marko Kloos: Books) not to everyone's taste but again I enjoyed them

The Orphan series is a cracking read (Robert Buettner)

The Merkiaari Wars (Hard Duty (Merkiaari Wars, #1)) are a fun read too
 
Of course, I don’t want to suggest that all military SF is as I’ve described and I don’t want to rubbish it as a genre, just that I’m wary of wading in because a lot of it probably isn’t to my tastes.

You might find The Year's Best Military SF and Space Opera, edited by David Afsharirad, worth a try. My take on it is here and probably the most relevant lines are "I think it's possible some folks looking for military SF and, especially, space opera, might be a bit disappointed with this book, not qualitatively or overall, but because it doesn't specifically deliver the purest, most extreme examples of the subgenres. On the other hand, many people who aren't fans of either subgenre might be surprised at how diverse and appealing they can be." The Nagata and Dickinson and some others can be found online so you can try before you buy. Dickinson also has a very interesting sequel online ("Morrigan in Shadow," Clarkesworld #111) which, as I said when I first read/discussed it, will probably be in the next Year's Best.
 
Some more: The standalone In Fury Born. The Empire of Man series by Weber and Ringo. And if you want naval action - the Dahak trilogy by Weber. :)
 

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