Why People Stick With Outdated Technology

The stuff people throw away. Just found a ProTools micro USB unit - 260$ new. Allows ProToolers to take their mixes to the beach, anywhere. The size of a large thumbDrive, it has 24-track capability and hi-kwality sampling rate etc. etc.
I have left behind a hundred, at least - discarded DVD players. Anyone need a DVD player, recorder? Five bucks. Three.
Another swell find is a dentist camera? I think it is... it has a little cam on a flexi-cable that can be put inside anywhere, just like the ones they use to look for survivors in rubble or other places the eye can't normally go. But what to do with it?
Really though, what we are seeking here... in disposed-of tech.... is, Gold! Shhhhhh. Now to acquire the dangerous alchemicals required to extract it.
Anyone ever done it, with the Nitric and Hydrochloric?
 
Yeah. Well I put this up for 80, have an offer for sixty, so this ancient outmoded hi-tech rubbish from 2007 is goin' fast.
 
There are strange rumors of people out there who still use windows 95 and 98 and in some forgotten corners of the globe , the rumors get even seven more bizarre , that there are computers , that still use, windows for work groups and MS Dos. Worse still are the reports Zombie 486 computers still in operation, slowing down the Web.:eek:
 
I thought this story was pretty relevant to this thread:
US nuclear force still uses floppy disks - BBC News

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The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-ordinated intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers and tanker support aircraft "runs on an IBM Series-1 Computer - a 1970s computing system - and uses eight-inch floppy disks".

"This system remains in use because, in short, it still works," Pentagon spokeswoman Lt Col Valerie Henderson told the AFP news agency.
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If it works, why break or replace it.
New for the sake of new can create problems where there are none.
Floppy disks last longer than consumer USB sticks and harder to steal.

It was only about 3 years ago I gave away my 8" floppy drive to a CP/M enthusiast. I'd not used them since 1998.
 
I'm not quite that bad, but I do tend to be a trailing-edge adopter. I'm still on Windows 7, I still own a desktop, I just recently bought a Samsung Galaxy 4 even though they were selling 6's at the time...

There's nothing wrong with wanting to be bleeding edge, as long as you're willing to put up with the hassles. I'm not. I have better things to do than try to figure out why the new drivers don't work with my frammistan.
 
I have Windows 7 on one machine and Windows 10 on another and if I wasn't so lazy, I'd find a way to install Windows 7 onto the second too. A far, far superior product in my experience.
 
Windows 7 is a kludge compared to XP and Server 2003 (NT versions 5.x along with Win2K), yes it superior to Win 8.x and Win 10. It's only a service pack version of Vista. MS was just too mean to let Vista users have it for free. (Versions are both NT6.x) Most of the good features promised 2003 to 2005 have not yet made it to Windows. Instead that they have messed in trying to make that Windows Phone and Desktop are the same, totally messing up windows 8.x instead of it fixing the sludge in Vista/Win7 and adding features and killing bugs STILL in Windows since NT4.0.
Yet Windows CE phone in early years of achieved 20% in USA. Current Windows phone is DEAD. Yet they totally messed up the desktop for it. Win10 is a privacy disaster and adds NOTHING of value and STILL doesn't remove long term flaws. They have lost the plot.
No wonder Win 10 is failure despite being free and PC sales are falling while Android tablet sales soar. More companies and people than ever using Linux (OS X is slight increase only because it is ONLY for expensive Apple Hardware).
Still 11% of online is XP, very many non-Internet computers using XP.
Linux has long ago "won" for servers, routers, set-boxes, TVs (not just smart ones) and Android is Linux with an custom GUI and Google version of Java for Apps.
Chrome book is Linux based.
Last Apple OS was OS9, the OS X is based on Next Step's version of BSD, a cousin to Linux. iOS is a cut down OSX with bought in Fingerworks GUI.

MS with fixation on Cloud and Phones have made themselves irrelevant.

[Win2K was released before ready / finished, XP is finished version. Win2K users should have had XP free]
 
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Coincidentally just published
El Reg said:
This week Redmond confirmed that even after an $8bn purchase that brought in 32,000 dedicated staff, it was not only exiting the consumer phone business, but abandoning mobile in entire geographical regions including India, China and Latin America, while leaving the door ajar for showcase devices such as a Surface Phone in the future.
The Windows Phone story: From hope to dusty abandonware

[This doesn't cover the Dreamcast using WinCE, Win CE PDAs and how Win CE, with a totally stupid GUI (a shrunk version of Win 95) became #2 Smartphone GUI (Symbian was #1). That ended with version 6.0.]

Win Phone 6.5 was a horrible franken-step.
Win phone 7 used the GUI from Zune which failed because MS didn't understand iTunes and only Apple can be Apple. (iPod was a late comer to MP3 players, River and Creative years earlier) Zune was 10 years too late.
Zune GUI was a good idea for a phone. But Win7 phone was five years too late! Even Trolltech had a similar touch GUI before the iPhone came out. I made "proof of concept" 4G phone in 2006 using it and Debian linux with Firefox browser.

Win Phone 8 was stupid replacement of WinCE kernel with Win NT as used in Windows desktop. The only thing that had been wrong with WinCE was the stupid Win95 style GUI (not suitable, ZUNE GUI good) and lack of development.

Sadly after over 10 years of inflicting a shrunk version of Windows Deskop on PDAs and Phone they decided to inflict the phone GUI on desktop (win 8.x)!

"UWP apps aren't designed for desktop, tablet or phone, but can adapt to each display size. Predictably, this lowest common denominator approach has been an aesthetic disaster,"
 
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IMO it's bizarre that Microsoft have released Windows 10 - which is in effect Windows 8 but with extra integrated functionality for mobile devices - while at the same time killing mobile devices running Windows for general consumers.
 
Windows 10 - which is in effect Windows 8 but with extra integrated functionality for mobile devices - while at the same time killing mobile devices
Inertia. The ill-conceived Win10 Desktop program started before Win 8.1 desktop release.
No ALL mobile MS is dead and gone. Only the Surface Pro, really an ultra x86 laptop with detachable keyboard, survives.
Intel in a double blow to MS plans, has axed completely their mobile Atom development. The ONLY value to business of Windows Mobile was the x86 Atom based versions, not the ARM (more ordinary Windows Consumer phones and the previously axed tablet), that's gone.

So MS had toasted the Desktop functionality for a market that had dropped to under 2% for them (now < 1%) and is now scrapped.
 
And whats wrong with MS DOS? It's still one of the most venerable reliable dependable operating systems around. :mad: Besides, Graphical User Interfaces are so overrated . :D
If I had known there were disk based spread sheets for DOS that got around the 640 k problem way back when, I might still be using it. So I'm glad I didn't. I didn't care too much for any of the Ws I used for a while. But I'm much happier with 'nixes.
 
disk based spread sheets for DOS that got around the 640 k
Even CP/M (64K!) wasn't limited on Wordprocessor or Spreadsheet size. MS didn't write DOS, it was bought from a company that reverse engineered it from CP/M 86, which was just ported from CP/M. Almost all the first popular used programs existed on CP/M first! Wordstar, Supercalc (Lotus 123 and Visicalc similar). Wordperfect was a much later alternative to Wordstar. I used Wordstar on CP/M and MS-DOS, also Wordperfect and MS Word for DOS.
I still have copies of Word 2.0a, the first decent MS Windows WP, version 1.0 was only on the Mac :)
Later I had DTP, Spice Modelling, Prolog, Modula-2, Forth, C etc on CP/M.

The limit for your spreadsheet was the disk storage, not the 640K RAM. Apple II only had 100K disks, original PC with DOS, only 360K. I had 1M byte 8" drives and 5M Byte hard drive. The ACT Sirius 1 had 2M byte 5.25" floppies and 800x400 graphics when IBM PC was only Text screen and 360K floppy.

I didn't care too much for any of the Ws I used for a while. But I'm much happier with 'nixes.
Vi, Vim, Emacs or nano for editing :)
 
I like my keyboard size. I like the feel of the laptop. It lasts about 10 minutes not plugged in, it is 15 years old and if it hasn't been started for a few days it's slow. Oh, and I daren't run it without a cooling stand. But I've written 7 books on it and more reports than I can count and I like it. So there.
 
MS didn't write DOS, it was bought from a company that reverse engineered it from CP/M 86, which was just ported from CP/M.
And an interesting story, that. From mem, without looking it up, so check details before quoting me:
IBM came to Gates 'cause he had done a good job with a compiler. When requested to do an OS, he told 'em what they wanted already existed, more or less, no need to start from scratch, and sent them to the CP/M fellow, trying to do him a good turn. But the CP/M guy (who was pretty strange, and later was killed in a biker bar brawl) stood up the IBM guys, who were NOT impressed with his - ahem - business like behaviour. So they went back to MS. Gates bought the code as you say - then MS turned it into DOS. I don't recall the name of the book I read about this in, but the early days of MS make quite a story.
The limit for your spreadsheet was the disk storage, not the 640K RAM.
Nope. I used Zencalc, version 2.something I think, part of a suite. It kept the whole sheet in RAM. But I had used MS's Windows spreadsheet on another machine, and knew it had no such limit. It never occured to me at the time, that there might be spread sheets for DOS that worked differently from the one I had. I had plenty of drive space, since I had a HUGE hard drive - 10 mB. Yes, megabytes. But that was plenty. The Zen suite was pretty nice. It used a file manager a little like Commander. I actually feel it was better. All the aps used a consistent integrated command and menu interface that was the best thing of its kind I've seen. But the people who did it, had problems with version 3 and then abandoned it to work on games instead.
 
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I didn't care too much for any of the Ws I used for a while. But I'm much happier with 'nixes.
Vi, Vim, Emacs or nano for editing
I just caught on. You must have thought I meant "Wordstar". I meant "Windows". That's why I contrasted it with 'nixes. In other words, MS-DOS was pretty stable for me. 95, 98, and ME sucked. 2000 did too, but not as badly. Then I discovered 'nixes and I'm much happier with them. I have the Win that came on this machine only because I haven't needed the space on the drive. I've only booted into it a couple of times. I don't even remember which flavor it is. I ran XP for a little while on an HP that came with it. Which was a fsckin nightmare for which I purely blame HP, not MS. I'll never buy another HP. I ran a demo of W7 for a few months. Looked like it could be tweaked enough to be decent but why bother? On this machine, in addition to the Win I never use, I have several different 'nixes. Mostly I boot a Ubuntu LTS I built up from the mini.iso. Very lean. I'm not an MS-basher or a Gates-hater, but, personally, I can't imagine ever going back.

As for editors, as long as I used Win, Zenword remained my fav. I've used Vim a bit. Heck, I've even used edlin and ed. But now I like Gedit.
 
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You decide to upgrade, do all the research, read all the reviews, settle on the item you want and make sure it works with everything else. Get it up and running, personalized just as you want.

And six months later a new version (if you're lucky, a paradigm shift if you're not) will be released. It gets tired after a while.
 
You decide to upgrade, do all the research, read all the reviews, settle on the item you want and make sure it works with everything else. Get it up and running, personalized just as you want.

And six months later a new version (if you're lucky, a paradigm shift if you're not) will be released. It gets tired after a while.
If having to buy a new version, or worse yet, a new version of your OS cause the old one doesn't support your new hardware is the issue, think about a linux or other unix-like OS. That isn't an issue in the 'nix world.
 
Gates 'cause he had done a good job with a compiler.
Interpreter. MS BASIC. Ironically ported from the "free" Dartmouth BASIC, a cut down version of ForTran, for teaching at Dartmouth. Most of the porting done by Bill Gate's friend (I forget which one! Wiki says Paul Allen and Monte Davidoff) initially to 8080 cpu than later 6502. Most 8 bit home computers before PC shipped with it. The Apple II didn't use the MS 6502 BASIC, but Applesoft Basic was certainly later and similar.
When requested to do an OS, he told 'em what they wanted already existed, more or less, no need to start from scratch, and sent them to the CP/M fellow, trying to do him a good turn. But the CP/M guy (who was pretty strange, and later was killed in a biker bar brawl) stood up the IBM guys, who were NOT impressed with his - ahem - business like behaviour.
I think it was more complicated than that. Bizarrely IBM already had suitable HW and OS, but the PC wasn't meant to compete with existing IBM products, it was an unimportant thing originally, hence stock hardware and software design thrown together very quickly.
I don't think anyone exactly knows what happened between Digital Research's Gary Kiddal and IBM.
DRI did eventually sue MS, but there was some sort of secret settlement.
There was more trouble later, first with marketing then with Windows:
The competition between MS-DOS and DR-DOS is one of the more controversial chapters of microcomputer history. Microsoft offered the best licensing terms to any computer manufacturer that committed to selling MS-DOS with every system they shipped, making it uneconomical for them to offer systems with another OS, since the manufacturer would still be required to pay a license fee to Microsoft for that system. This practice led to a US Department of Justice investigation, resulting in a decision in 1994 that barred Microsoft from "per-processor" licensing.[8]
MS purchased 86-DOS and repackaged it as MS-DOS and PC-DOS.
MS Word and Excel for Mac were MS's first two genuine own products!
The DRI story really ends in 1991 when Novell bought them.
There was once a company called Santa Cruz Operation and they sold Xenix, which curiously once belonged to MS.
Caldera bought the Digital Research stuff from Novell and also the remains of the original SCO. They then renamed themselves SCO Group and became trolls. They tried to sue IBM and others for using UNIX and Linux without a licence from them. A sort of Dickensian law suit that went on for ever (2002 to 2016)!

From Wikipedia:
List of recent SCO Group* lawsuits
[* no connection with original SCO]

ran XP for a little while on an HP that came with it. Which was a fsckin nightmare for which I purely blame HP, not MS.
I'd blame MS, they ALWAYS shipped every Windows with STUPID defaults. All eye candy on, desktop indexing, all server type services running, etc, default user account as Admin. We used to spend a few hours fixing the settings, which might double speed of operation and reduce boot time from 1 minute to 14 seconds on a 2012 computer.
On big rollouts we used SMS on a server to automatically fix it all on maybe 30 to 500 PCs at once.
All the junk OEMs add doesn't help.
 
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