hero's - xmen

[Princess Ivy]

ok, it's gotta be done. hero's seems to clossly resemble x-men. is this intentional homage will hero's become the prequel to xmen? or is it all just a co-incidence?

 

[Tillane]

I think it's either homage or outright thievery, Ivy. Just as well it's good...

 

[Harleyquin]

I remember there where an awful lot of legal battles about the rights to the Xmen series. The amazingly awful but amazingly long lived series Mutant X (why oh why did this pass the 2 episode mark) was taken to court several times over this issue. Hero's has no accociation that I can find to marvel entertainment or if there is there keeping it very quiet.

The producers, writers and actors in hero's have all stated there NOT interested in making a "super team" show of goodies versies baddies - just a "real world" view of heros.

I'm positive that with the stunning sucsess of Hero's both Marvel and DC must be seriously thinking its time to roll out some shows based on their hero's... but this is going to be tempered by their desire to have Cinima releases...

Xmen is a possibility now its run is finished, but with wolvereeen the movi due out next year its going to be a maybe... justiceleage - again DC have only just re-launched bats and supes and wont want to jepodise their box office...

I think Xmen will be the first major team to the small screen if any though

 

[Stone]

x-men series has always been talked about and perhaps as Harley says with the running down of the film franchise this may be more proabable. I would also say that Justice League is a possibility if the current series of Smallville is anything to go by (lot of characters introduced or returning), perhaps a Justice League origins could be in the pipeline?

 

[Jyrbian]

While Hero's may not be directly associated to Marvel, Stan Lee (of Marvel) had a cameo appearance as a bus driver in one of the season one episodes.

Based on this I would think that Marvel supports this show. It would be very unlikely for Marvel go to court.

 

[rol7805]

From what I heard, Mutant X was actually a collaboration with Marvel (or at least some key people from Marvel) that went sour. The show was actually intentionally changed just enough to be a little "un-Marvel-ish" to coin a word. It actually had in the credits the first season the name of one of the big guys from Marvel, I think he tried to stay on and make the relationship (I guess between Marvel and some studio) work but it didn't.

I haven't heard of any ties between any of the comic book companies and Heroes, but there doesn't seem to be any concern about copyright. I've heard the stars and writers of Heroes actually don't want it to ever become "guys in tights flying around", but always real people figuring out their powers and how to use them.

 

[Connavar]

Outright thievery


Check out Rising Stars a comic that had many heroes and a story about their live in a real world.


Heroes has taking more from that comic than X-men.

For example Nikkie is copied completely from one of the characters in that comic.


I don't think its only one comic they stolen ideas but from many comics cause people like Loeb has worked on and know alot of the people that wrote the comics they have stolen.


Stolen i say cause most comics like Heroes about superheroes in a real world try to come up with new ideas cause they cant steal from people in the same bizz. The creators of this tv show prolly gave money for the ideas. For example Marvel would get angry for using some of their characters. Like Monica being a total copy of Marvel"s Echo character.

 

[Winter Lord]

Nikki puts me in mind of Typhoid Mary, from Marvel, and Rose & the Thorn from DC.

Adam seems to be a combination of Ras' A Ghul, Vandal Savage, and Apocalypse.

One thing I want to know, does Angela Petrelli have a power?

 

[Delvo]

Yes, she does, but it hasn't been specified, just like Kaito Nakamura's never was. She and ohters have had lines involving phrases like "those like us" and "those of us with these gifts" where she was included as a part of the group of people with superpowers. Some viewers hav einferred that it's an ability to get people to think the way she thinks, especially if touching them while talking to them. There've been multiple scenes in which she's been in a disagreement with somebody, then she put a hand or two on them in what could be taken for a normal gesture so you might not notice she'd done it, and then the other person went along with what she was saying as if finally convinced by the argument she gave while doing so. In at least a couple of those cases, they've even had the camera zoom in on her hands at that moment as if for emphasis. (She's even done it to her sons.) I think she also had at least one scene with someone else who would know her power, like Linderman, who seemed to be making a point of staying back beyond arm's reach from her.

 

[ScottSF]

good eye Delvo. I think I almost notice that but got distracted, now that you mention it. . .


while on the comics topic. Copycat has the same power as the Marvel Villian Task Master. You know, it's really tough to come up with a completely original super hero these days.

 

[Connavar]

Nikki puts me in mind of Typhoid Mary, from Marvel, and Rose & the Thorn from DC.

Adam seems to be a combination of Ras' A Ghul, Vandal Savage, and Apocalypse.

One thing I want to know, does Angela Petrelli have a power?

Adam doesnt have much in common with Ra's except the long life. Ra's its not a gift but a chemical spring that makes him immortal. He gets old and weak fast without it.

Adam has more in common with Wolverine,Superman version of healing and immortality thanks to cell regeneration.


Which is i wonder if he can heal getting his head chopped and survive like Wolverine can. We have already seen he can regenerate even when he is blown to dust.

 

[Winter Lord]

good eye Delvo. I think I almost notice that but got distracted, now that you mention it. . .


while on the comics topic. Copycat has the same power as the Marvel Villian Task Master. You know, it's really tough to come up with a completely original super hero these days.

There is also Echo, from Marvel Comics. She has photographic reflexes, just like the Taskmaster.

 

[Connavar]

Echo is the most famous of the copycat characters. She is a big gun in MU these days with her being a famous avengers hero.

I loved her first apparence in Daredevil years ago in the David Mack story.

She kicked DD's ass with Bruce Lee moves she copied and DD's own moves.

 

[Winter Lord]

Outright thievery


Check out Rising Stars a comic that had many heroes and a story about their live in a real world.


Heroes has taking more from that comic than X-men.

For example Nikkie is copied completely from one of the characters in that comic.


I don't think its only one comic they stolen ideas but from many comics cause people like Loeb has worked on and know alot of the people that wrote the comics they have stolen.


Stolen i say cause most comics like Heroes about superheroes in a real world try to come up with new ideas cause they cant steal from people in the same bizz. The creators of this tv show prolly gave money for the ideas. For example Marvel would get angry for using some of their characters. Like Monica being a total copy of Marvel"s Echo character.

As long as they don't infringe on the trademarks and copywrites of Marvel, DC and other, they can do pretty much what they want. Actually, I could see George RR Martin sueing the creators of Heroes before the comic book companies, he did create the Wildcards Universe, after all, and Heroes is quite abit like Martin's idea, also.

 

[aquamarine]

yes...yes..it is famous movie and wonderful...

 

[Essie]

It's influences seem obvious but I think the good thing is that it doesn't try to pretend it is completely new. It constantly nods its head to various influences throughout the series.

 

[Interference]

It even has comics central to the plot in series 1, after all. And Stan Lee's cameo on the bus made me fall off my seat laughing.

The idea of real-world heroes has been in the ether since I was a young lad (in the late 60s, early 70s) and certainly in the 80s when Warrior flew off the book stands under the steam of Alan Moore's (among others less visible these days) writing prowess, but the TV and screen writers who might have brought it all off intelligently just weren't comics people. Comics had no adult following worth a damn until the children who loved them grew into a sizeable demographic - which must have happened around the Chris Reeve Superman movie - and the fans got work as writers in television. Then it was just a matter of waiting for TV special effects to get cheap enough.

Stephen King trod closely to the line as well, remember. It's all about extreme situations in a familiar world, from King Kong to Desperate Housewives.

Heroes is the series I'd have liked to have made first, though. While it's around, some of my second book and practically all of the third and fourth are going to look derivative if they're ever published. I'm currently trying to replot, emphasising the differences, though the super-powers aspect is always going to come in for some criticism. Such is life

 

[xaviersxmen]

When i first watched this show Xmen was the first thing I thought of. Bt I like it and I hope the show last a long time.