What is so good about Dune?

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The first three are, I think, of a piece - all marvellous. God Awful Of Dune is awful, but I liked the two which followed.
The rest is opportunistic crap.
Oddly enough, I quite like God Emperor. I thought there were some interesting explorations (although it did its fair share of literary naval gazing too). I think what appealed to me was the evolution of the ‘establishment’. Dune initiated the overthrow of the old order, only to replace it with something arguably worse. It reminded me of tsarist Russia being overthrown by Communism - which ultimately led to little more than red tsars running the show. For all that things had changed, things tended to stay the same.
I suspect I may be in the minority here:)
 
When God Emperor came out I read it and thought WTF? This isn't Dune. Well, it wasn't the Dune I was expecting. I've read it several times since and now I think it is very good. I was fourteen when I first read it and was not prepared for a political and philosophical treaty; I wanted more Fremen and action. I appreciate Frank's intentions with GEoD now that I'm older.
 
The book is too highly regarded by so many people. I think you just have to accept its status as a classic, regardless of whether or not you are able to get into it.
 
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Oddly enough, I quite like God Emperor. I thought there were some interesting explorations (although it did its fair share of literary naval gazing too). I think what appealed to me was the evolution of the ‘establishment’. Dune initiated the overthrow of the old order, only to replace it with something arguably worse. It reminded me of tsarist Russia being overthrown by Communism - which ultimately led to little more than red tsars running the show. For all that things had changed, things tended to stay the same.
I suspect I may be in the minority here:)

Okay bear with me....but God Emperor was really about Leto's plan to save humanity - but doing it by establishing a dictatorship that lasted about 4000 years with him at the top.

Let's start with Paul Atreides. Part of the reason Herbert wrote Dune, I think, was to contradict the traditional heoes journey - be careful of wishing for a heroic leader. you may not like what you get! He's clearly the protagonist of the book and indeed, you the reader, have empathy for Paul against the Baron and the other scheming factions. Yet at the end, when the 'good guy' wins, it unleashes a jihad throughout the known universe. Millions and millions, perhaps billions of people are killed by fanatic fremen who blindly follow Muhaidib.

This is a good outcome?

What is somewhat worse is that Paul knows exactly that this will happen, because he becomes Kwisatz Haderach and his powers of prescience. He can see the various futures; he chooses this future.

After Dune Herbert, I believe, wanted to move on and explore prescience further. What are the problems with seeing the future? So he gives Paul, and therefore his children, including Leto, the knowledge of the 'great threat' that will extinguish all humanity. What is this?

There's a hint from my reading from the system of Ix. I forget exactly when, but the scientists of Ix develop at some point an interstellar ship that does not require a navigator to safely travel between the stars. This, on my first reading, was a nice move, it changed the monopoly on travel that the space guild had, it complicated the politics. But I think it was more. Remember the navigators used a limited form of prescience to predict where obstructions were on their journeys. So in a sense Ix has developed a machine with limited prescience to replace the human element.

There's a moment in God Emperor where Leto tells someone of his 'visions' of a possible future still open where humanity is hunted and destroyed by a prescient foe, the final humans huddled deep underground in bunkers listening to the ever increasing volume of machines burrowing inevitably towards them.

I think also we are supposed to think that the power that makes the Honoured Matres flee back from the Scattering into the old worlds is also this 'great threat'. Unfortunately Frank Herbert died before he could finish the book that was likely to describe the threat appearing. However from the book Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson wrote, which I'm sure they used what Frank Herbert had prepared in notes and discussions, I think it was a great armada of thinking prescient machines - the technology banned and destroyed in the Butlerian Jihad but recreated (or survived and grown?).

Paul sees this future too. What does Herbert make him do? Well, further stripping away his heroic qualities Paul abdicates his responsibility to fight this threat. He forces the task onto his son Leto and essentially retires and dies (I think!). Paul really fails on quite a number of fronts!

So what is Leto's plan? His first important goal is to breed humans that his prescience can't see, humans that any prescience can see, so that they are immune to the great threat. The future where humanity is made extinct will be stopped. But he also needs to spread these genes around all humanity. How does he do this? He sets up a dictatorship. He stops all opposition, oppressing and keeping humans 'local', restricting technology, and all of this is held in place by an army of fish speakers. A female army he used to control and police everyone, it is fanatical and unquestioning - he can also use them as part of his breeding program.

He does this for ~4000 years. I think he needs to do this because he needs that amount of time to finally breed the correct gene-line, but I think it also builds up a desire for freedom in humanity. He knows that when he finally dies, his empire will be 'straining at the leash' to escape his stagnant dictatorship, will completely disintegrate and the Scattering will take place where vast numbers of people flee the old empire into uncharted areas, spread out and grow. With that he plants the seeds of the new humanity he has been breeding.

So in a way, Leto is a bit of a anti-Paul. He is actually aiming to prevent something terrible happen, it's just that he has to impose a lesser evil on human society to stave off something much worse ~10,000 years down the line. Worse, Leto is forced by his own father into this duty! I don't think Leto is intrinsically a bad person, so he must endure thousands of years of inflicting pain and suffering on humanity for a future that he knows he will die thousands of years before as well!
 
Funnily enough, one reason why I'd be wary of the prologue novels (except that almost everyone says that they're bad) is that I don't want some things explained. If the Sardaukar are swordsmen of the "Ginaz tenth level" I don't really need much more explanation. It just sounds impressive, and it's probably some kind of space martial art. It's a bit like knowing anything else about Boba Fett - I like the mystique, and there's a fair chance that the eventual explanation won't be as interesting to me as my own speculation. But again, that's very much a personal choice.
 
It reminded me of tsarist Russia being overthrown by Communism - which ultimately led to little more than red tsars running the show. For all that things had changed, things tended to stay the same.
Exactly. All revolutions stop before full emancipation for women, for instance. I think true revolution only follows from inner change in individuals.
 
There are lots of contenders for the best book ever written. Dune is described as a turning point, a new start. The book that was the seed of the creation of films like Star Wars. It has been a long time since I read it, so maybe my opinions need an update. But I remember it as a boring book with stilted writing.
 
There is something about the first Dune that is hard to describe. It feels as though this huge... thing is lurking between every word on every page. The first time I read it it felt as though I was reading something ancient Herbert had dug up from the desert. A myth hewn in stone. There’s nothing else quite like it in my opinion.

when somebody talks about it my blood pressure goes up in anticipation of them not ‘getting it’ andI do my best to change the subject. It’s meaning was meant for me and me alone and I’m jealous that anybody else gets to experience it.

not touched the other books, ever, despite owning them. I’m scared of them staining the perfect original.
 
I have discussed Dune and Lord of the Rings with people, and some just don't get them. I think sometimes you have to be introduced to something at the right time in life. I think I was 13 or 14 when I first read Dune and the impact of the story stuck with me, it was around the same time I read Lord of the Rings. Had I waited until I was in my 20s before reading these books would they have had the same impact? We will never know.
 
I thought Dune was very good, though not so much any of the sequels, but I definitely don't think it comes near to being the best science fiction book ever written. But then I don't consider it to be science fiction, maybe science fantasy at best. I think the whole thing from the science to the society put it firmly in the fantasy camp. Just the idea of a drug that lets you see into the future puts it out of the science and into fantasy.
 
I think sometimes you have to be introduced to something at the right time in life.

I think there's a lot of truth in that. I first tried to read Titus Groan at 13, gave up, tried again at 15 and thought it was amazing. I still think it's great but I don't know if I would have liked it quite as much if I'd read it later.

I consider Dune to be SF because people go to other planets in spaceships. It's just "wacky SF" instead of "purportedly realistic SF".
 
I thought Dune was very good, though not so much any of the sequels, but I definitely don't think it comes near to being the best science fiction book ever written. But then I don't consider it to be science fiction, maybe science fantasy at best. I think the whole thing from the science to the society put it firmly in the fantasy camp. Just the idea of a drug that lets you see into the future puts it out of the science and into fantasy.
I think there's a lot of truth in that. I first tried to read Titus Groan at 13, gave up, tried again at 15 and thought it was amazing. I still think it's great but I don't know if I would have liked it quite as much if I'd read it later.

I consider Dune to be SF because people go to other planets in spaceships. It's just "wacky SF" instead of "purportedly realistic SF".

How do you have a space faring civilization and galactic empire without real Computer technology ? Mentads aside, it's seems a bit of a stretch.
 
I have discussed Dune and Lord of the Rings with people, and some just don't get them. I think sometimes you have to be introduced to something at the right time in life. I think I was 13 or 14 when I first read Dune and the impact of the story stuck with me, it was around the same time I read Lord of the Rings. Had I waited until I was in my 20s before reading these books would they have had the same impact? We will never know.

I read Dune right after I saw the 1984 film.
 
I personally don't think that DUNE is best syfy of all time
That being said i do like the book and beilieve it to be a good one.
yes i also think that it deppends on the time of life ou read any book, not necessarly your age, more your state of mind. it happen to me with a great movie.
as for the best book in syfy ever... i have absolutely no idea... or should i say i have too many ideas?
however since i personally don't like isaac asimov... his books are out.
maybe 2001 by arthur c clarke?
 
Dune was the first ecologically aware genre novel, and for that alone it deserves great attention.
The characters are marvellous and complex, the setting is original and wonderful, and the complex, allusive, detailed writing is terrific.
It really is a masterpiece.
Yes! Herbert's figurative and literal worldbuilding is exquisite. He covers it in Appendix I: The Ecology of Dune.

Besides, a desert setting personally hooks me every time. And Dune's Machiavellian politics is the cherry on top of the dessert.

In the end, you can't argue with success. As already alluded to by other posters.

 
Quibbles aside, Dune is a great read. When I read its, I founds myself lost in it . When that happens to , it means I enjoyed the book immensely.:cool:
 
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Dune was the first ecologically aware genre novel, and for that alone it deserves great attention.
The characters are marvellous and complex, the setting is original and wonderful, and the complex, allusive, detailed writing is terrific.
It really is a masterpiece.
This.
 

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