Humans

[Nate Hoffelder]

That was the end of S2?

Damn.

I'm dying to find out what happens next.

 

[Brian G Turner]

Still plodding through this. It's a little frustrating how slow it is - there are a lot of characters who aren't doing much.

Also, regarding Trinity from the Matrix scientist character - I don't understand why she needs a sentient synth to transfer her AI into a synth? Why not, um, simply transfer her AI into an ordinary synth? If she's dependent on coding within a sentient synth, then why not study and use that code, instead of simply over-writing it with her own AI program??

Anyway, will hopefully finish this while it's still on catch-up TV.

 

[Gnrevolution]

Still plodding through this. It's a little frustrating how slow it is - there are a lot of characters who aren't doing much.

Also, regarding Trinity from the Matrix scientist character - I don't understand why she needs a sentient synth to transfer her AI into a synth? Why not, um, simply transfer her AI into an ordinary synth? If she's dependent on coding within a sentient synth, then why not study and use that code, instead of simply over-writing it with her own AI program??

Anyway, will hopefully finish this while it's still on catch-up TV.

yeah the second season does feel very slow to me.

My take on the need for a conscious synth is that Athena (Trinity) has already tried transferring to a regular synth, with bad results. She believes that there is a specific hardware / firmware requirement to make the synths conscious, not just any old synth will do. Saying that, it is repeatedly stated in the show that it is code that is making the synth's conscious, nothing to do with hardware but simply a software upgrade. So Athena also wants to get at the synth code to understand how it works, and use this to help that transfer.

Well, that's my understanding of it anyway, could be completely wrong

 

[psychotick]

Hi,

Just saw the final epp of Season 2 lat night myself - and wow! Loved this show. They really are going out of their way to show that synths experience all the same range of emotions as us - positive and negative. And yeah GNR, it is all done by code.

Couple of things keep niggling at me. First, why when they first wake up do they keep gasping? Synths don't breath so why would they gasp?

The whole motivation of Milo in creating synth children doesn't make sense to me. Yeah there may be some money in it, childless couples and all that, but I couldn't really see it as being a whole new microsoft windows etc. It didn't seem like something a billionaire would be sinking huge amounts of wealth into, unless there's more to it than that. Also his argument with Athena at the end about theft is plain wrong. He may own the servers, but he doesn't own her private work product, and he should know that and so know enough not to threaten her with it.

There were areas not followed up - the husbands being fired by synths for a start. It looked like it was some sort of synth, back room uprising etc. But it just got forgotten. A plot line left incomplete.

But great show. Hope there's a season three.

Cheers, Greg.

 

[Gnrevolution]

Hi,

Just saw the final epp of Season 2 lat night myself - and wow! Loved this show. They really are going out of their way to show that synths experience all the same range of emotions as us - positive and negative. And yeah GNR, it is all done by code.

Couple of things keep niggling at me. First, why when they first wake up do they keep gasping? Synths don't breath so why would they gasp?

The whole motivation of Milo in creating synth children doesn't make sense to me. Yeah there may be some money in it, childless couples and all that, but I couldn't really see it as being a whole new microsoft windows etc. It didn't seem like something a billionaire would be sinking huge amounts of wealth into, unless there's more to it than that. Also his argument with Athena at the end about theft is plain wrong. He may own the servers, but he doesn't own her private work product, and he should know that and so know enough not to threaten her with it.

There were areas not followed up - the husbands being fired by synths for a start. It looked like it was some sort of synth, back room uprising etc. But it just got forgotten. A plot line left incomplete.

But great show. Hope there's a season three.

Cheers, Greg.

Thanks Greg, yeah I understood that it was code that enabled snyth consciousness, what I was trying to get at was that I don't think Athena knew that (certainly at the beginning) and thought there was something fundamentally different about the originals - I still think there might be.

Regarding Milo, I don't think we got to see all of his plan, I think there was more to it. He kept saying that his idea was pure, but never elaborated. I assumed he wanted to create conscious child synths, and then replace the body in line with the growth of the child, maybe with the child synths (cherabaum?) models he had actually found a way to simulate growth without having to replace the bodies? Or maybe he wanted to piggyback Athena's work and allow parents whose children had died to be able to upload their consciousness into a child synth (maybe tailor the child synth to look like their own child?).

Regarding the argument with Athena at the end, my take on it was that she had signed a contract with Milo, and he was trying to use this to take the IP for V away from her. Related to that (and your last point) I did wonder if non-corporeal AI were going to get involved in this in Series 3, particularly being the protagonists behind the husbands firing..?

There's many ways this show could now go, just hope the viewer ratings were not so bad as to can the show (like they did with Utopia)...

 

[REBerg]

Season 2 premiere will finally arrive Monday, Feb. 13, in the US on AMC.

 

[Nate Hoffelder]

Season 2 premiere will finally arrive Monday, Feb. 13, in the US on AMC.

You're in for a treat!

 

[REBerg]

Watched the second season premiere. Excellent!
It almost looks as if this round could stand alone for anyone who missed the first season. But that would bypass all the fun in trying to figure out what was happening as the series got rolling.

 

[Jeffbert]

Yeah I just saw on Wiki that UK is two episodes ahead of US. Good thing I didn't read the whole descriptions of what happens in the next two eps.

Anyway here are my thoughts on Episode 4:

Still trying to get the characters in line but...

Spoiler

I'm guessing they aren't going to go all technical and explain the basics of Android suppressed memories and subconsciousness. While being a shell of their former selves. Furthermore, why could those "five" Androids have subconscious and feelings but they need all five of them to run the program to make more?? That makes no sense as of this point in time. Why did they need Dr. Millican at all? Are androids really that dumb that they cannot extract basic code from other more complex code? Since that's all that actually happened. And they call themselves hackers lol.

HUM∀NS. Hmm. I should make my response also a

Spoiler

I recall reading one of Frederick Brown's short stories, do not recall which one, but it was about a 5 sexed alien species [there must be a word for it]. all 5 sexes had to get it on to make offspring.

I have only watched the 1st, & part of the 2nd episodes, & really dislike the depictions of the deal between those who have helper synths, and those who provided them. Reminds me of something I saw over a decade ago.

Spoiler

but anyway, so the guy who designed them is old, & needs a live-in nurse. so, it seems he had chosen one that may even have been modeled on his son, given that he was attempting to force his synth to 'remember' an event in a photograph. The synth reported a failure to internalize the 'memory' then began to goof-up while they were out shopping. As the company had already insisted on forcing a newer model on the man, even though he had become fond of the one he already had, it then went ahead and replaced the obsolete unit with a newer, less agreeable one. Ie., Nurse Ratchet.

 

[Jeffbert]

1.03 Up and at 'em,

Spoiler

Adam Link! When the woman was taking the syth to return 'her' it, her son found out just in time to nearly be crushed by a truck illegally passing mom's car. synth in the backseat, though slated for destruction, saw in side view mirror approaching truck & dumb kid on bike coming laterally. Jumps out to stop truck. I, Robot! We now return control of your TV to you, until next week's OUTER LIMITS

 

[REBerg]

I just finished watching the finale of the second season, and I am totally awestruck by this series.
My overall impression is the unavoidable conflict generated by an obsession to create successors to Humanity and the fear that these creations will take our place before the time has come. I see the same message in HBO's Westworld.
Our frail human bodies are ill-equipped to survive our failing planet, much less escape to the stars. What better purpose could our efforts serve than to create more robust beings incorporating all of our triumphs and failures, needing only energy to exist eternally, and send them out as our representatives to the Universe?
That being said, I have found Humans to be highly entertaining and fully capable of keeping me from dozing during even the slowest of plot development scenes -- as long as I have Cheetos and beer. I hope the series has legs.

 

[Droflet]

Agreed. I too have finish season two and will happily line up for season four. Great show. I agree also, must have beer. Snacks optional.

 

[Jeffbert]

I just finished s1, & bought s2 on Prime. Now that I own it, no hurry to watch.

 

[Gnrevolution]

Renewed for Season 3

Humans renewed for series 3

 

[REBerg]

Renewed for Season 3

Humans renewed for series 3

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Now, if only they would run it simultaneously on Channel 4 and AMC, so it could be properly discussed on Chrons.

 

[Mister_Oy]

Wahooooo!

 

[Cli-Fi]

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Now, if only they would run it simultaneously on Channel 4 and AMC, so it could be properly discussed on Chrons.

If anything BBC, should run it at the same time as AMC, because AMC owns BBC America. I'm not sure how much of that includes the rest of BBC, but those channels do tend to play nicely with each other.

That being said, I am very happy that Humans gets a season 3. You can't be like, OK Synths have woken up. Then end. The last five minutes of season 2 was probably the best most rewarding season finale ever! I'm ready to see Hester and V team up to lead a robot army.

 

[Jeffbert]

Anyone care to compare HUMAN with ALMOST HUMAN? iT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION. AS I recall, ALMOST HUMAN also had an element of fear of androids becoming too much like humans.

For that Matter, RUR had the scientist creator of the Robots thinking that if they became more like we are, they might understand us. Bad idea!

I guess this ought to be a new topic.

 

[Jeffbert]

SORRY FOR the double-post, but I just noticed s2 on PRIME is the UK version, which runs just about 46:30 per episode. Checked s1 e1 & 2, they are US versions, and run about 44 minutes. Even that time, is longer than most US TV shows in 1 hour time slots. Usually just over 41 minutes.

 

[Gnrevolution]

If anything BBC, should run it at the same time as AMC, because AMC owns BBC America. I'm not sure how much of that includes the rest of BBC, but those channels do tend to play nicely with each other.

That being said, I am very happy that Humans gets a season 3. You can't be like, OK Synths have woken up. Then end. The last five minutes of season 2 was probably the best most rewarding season finale ever! I'm ready to see Hester and V team up to lead a robot army.

Unfortunately Channel 4 own the rights in the UK not the BBC, probably the reason for the delay. I can always recommend you find a UK proxy and then watch from channel4.com after it airs. We have the same problem here in the UK more often than the US I'm afraid, particularly with The Expanse which still hasn't aired on any TV channel