Pre-Egypt Technology

[Starbeast]

 

[J Riff]

The Pregyptians had super-saws, or assistance from elsewhere. That one carving looks like a really cool rocketship.*

 

[Starbeast]

There was definately some amazing construction going on thousands of years ago, not only in Egypt, but all over the world.

 

[Ursa major]

I doubt that the average human of 10000+ years ago was any less intelligent than his or her modern counterpart. What they lacked were numbers (of people) and the exponential increase in information and data.

Theirs are the shoulders on which all of us stand today.

 

[Nik]

Don't forget that soft copper plus desert sand makes an excellent saw for stone, and a bunch of patient folk armed with hammer-stones and copper chisels can carve anything...

 

[Vertigo]

As Nik says it has often been shown that, given time, cutting stone with copper and sand is fantastically precise and the early Egyptians had plenty of time during the annual floods when most of their construction was done. I actually watched and chatted with some French archeologists at Karnak a few years ago who were experimenting with such techniques, and they said they were constantly amazed by what they could achieve and how surprisingly quick and accurate their work had been considering their personal lack of skill and experience with such techniques.

Given such patience, it is astonishing what can be achieved with primitive tools; just take a look at the precision of Inca stone work.

 

[Starbeast]

Futher information from other places in the world about ancient building technology.​

 

[J Riff]

I watch this, and Ancient Aliens is on TV at the same time.
I'm convinced, sold. Van Daniken is still selling and I think we should all be made to march forth and drag and sand huge stone blocks and build various edifices, all fifty times larger than the empire state building, just to show our good intentions before they arrive, which they obviously will, soon, any old time now. Imagine the buildings they will show us how to make this time. Ten-mile tall ailen casinos.

 

[Ursa major]

Ten-mile tall ailen casinos.

Am I the only one who suspects that this is a lot of spin...?





(And not just a lot; more a lottery.... )

 

[Starbeast]

I'm convinced, sold. I think we should show our good intentions before they arrive, which they obviously will, soon, any old time now.

"A great deal of ancient tribes who speak of aliens from beyond our planet, also mention that the aliens promised to return. And when they return to Earth, humankind will be quite surprised." - anonymous

You're correct J Riff, it could be anytime now..................

 

[J Riff]

One 3.5 ton block every 8.5 minutes, 24 hrs. a day for 100 years. And the one in Bosnia is bigger.
The more one looks at the giant stone structures, and the lack of detailed history of same, the spookier it gets.

 

[Starbeast]

One 3.5 ton block every 8.5 minutes, 24 hrs. a day for 100 years. And the one in Bosnia is bigger.
The more one looks at the giant stone structures, and the lack of detailed history of same, the spookier it gets.

Spooky is the word, because that is how I felt when I learned about Puma Punku in Bolivia, it's located 4000 meters above sea level, and one of the biggest stones used there weighs 800 tons. Also, the types of stone that was used to create the interlocking pieces, were granite and diorite.

 

[Starbeast]

Something incredible happened to Puma Punku

It's obvious that some incredible natural catastrophy destroyed Puma Punku,
literally obliteratng this oldest known city on Earth.​

 

[Ursa major]

Re: Something incredible happened to Puma Punku

It's obvious that some incredible natural catastrophy destroyed Puma Punku, literally obliteratng this oldest known city on Earth.

According to Pumapunku - Age, the complex is no older than the fifth century AD, which hardly qualifies as "oldest-known".

Not that this takes away from the effort and ingenuity shown by those who moved stone blocks ranging up to 131 tonnes in weight.

 

[Nik]

I was recently arguing with some-one about the Stonehenge Bluestones which had apparently been hauled down from the Welsh hills, across the English Channel and up to Stonehenge.

When he wondered how such monsters could be shipped in leather & wicker boats, I suggested log rafts. When he wondered how rafts could have been kept stable, I suggested slinging their rock load underneath. Given the estuary's famous tidal range, there would be no problem hauling a laden frame far enough down a firm beach that would leave it submerged save for tie-ropes at mid tide...

In fact, given several high tides and some temporary river weirs made by driving big stakes and placing hide-covered wicker screens, you could float each laden raft almost to Stonehenge's doorstep...

 

[Brian G Turner]

I think a key concern I have with the general presumption of Alient technology, is that the logic goes like this:

1. Thousands of years ago, humans didn't have modern power tools.
2. So how could they built intricate structures?
3. I don't know!
4. Therefore if must have been aliens, because someone else said so

And the whole argument basically refers to 4. that aliens did it, and then refer to 3 on how it must be aliens because - you know - humans making a great effort to build something - unexplained!!

And yet you look all around the world now, and there are massive engineering works all over, usually driven by God worship, money, power shows, and necessary engineering works.

We really do treat our ancient ancestors as some sort of monkeys, and yet all through recorded ancient human history, there was a constant spirit of innovation.

That's not to say there may or may not be the unexplainable in Egypt or other ancient cultures - just that "the aliens did it!" just seems like a cheap get-out much of the time.

What anyone wants to believe is all their own business, but I just wish we could credit our species with a little more ingenuity in the absence of electricity.

(Besides, we all know the Vorlorns did it. ).

 

[Null_Zone]

I think a key concern I have with the general presumption of Alient technology, is that the logic goes like this:

1. Thousands of years ago, humans didn't have modern power tools.
2. So how could they built intricate structures?
3. I don't know!
4. Therefore if must have been aliens, because someone else said so

And the whole argument basically refers to 4. that aliens did it, and then refer to 3 on how it must be aliens because - you know - humans making a great effort to build something - unexplained!!

And yet you look all around the world now, and there are massive engineering works all over, usually driven by God worship, money, power shows, and necessary engineering works.

We really do treat our ancient ancestors as some sort of monkeys, and yet all through recorded ancient human history, there was a constant spirit of innovation.

That's not to say there may or may not be the unexplainable in Egypt or other ancient cultures - just that "the aliens did it!" just seems like a cheap get-out much of the time.

What anyone wants to believe is all their own business, but I just wish we could credit our species with a little more ingenuity in the absence of electricity.

(Besides, we all know the Vorlorns did it. ).

Whilst this is very good and probably very accuarate my own opinion of the thought processes is

Theses things are very complicated.
The people there are foreign.
Well foreigners scrounge off benefits/work in my garden not build things.
Foreigners can't build complex structures.
Must be aliens.

Plus aliens are cooler than people sitting around calmly figuring out how to move big lumps of rock.

 

[Ursa major]

Whilst this is very good and probably very accuarate my own opinion of the thought processes is

Theses things are very complicated.
The people there are foreign.
Well foreigners scrounge off benefits/work in my garden not build things.
Foreigners can't build complex structures.
Must be aliens.

"I bet they were illegal. Yeah, very smart but still illegal."

 

[Vertigo]

I have to agree with you on that one Brian, and don't get me started on the Incas (oh sorry I already did mention them once didn't I). They are supposed to have been in all sorts of alien pockets who helped them create awesome things like the Nazca Lines (because lets face it they must have been too stupid to do it themselves)... but never mentioned a little thing like the wheel to them?

 

[Starbeast]

Puma Punku/Tiahuanaco

According to Pumapunku - Age, the complex is no older than the fifth century AD, which hardly qualifies as "oldest-known".

The only bad thing about using Wikipedia is sometimes the info that someone placed there can be inaccurate once in a while. My nephew discovered that the hard way when researching for a class assignment and his teacher informed him his facts were wrong.

But the same could be said for me as well, I tried to find out the carbon dating on the stones used at Puma Punku/Tiahuanaco and I found several different answers by scientists, ranging from 500 AD to 3000 BC. However, the nearby lake Titicaca's water level was higher roughly 4000 years ago and would have connected to the ancient ports that still stand today.

I was going by the position of the sun which would have been perfectly aligned with the main gate of Tiahuanaco, 12,000 years ago. I was getting the information from the Peruvian archaeologist Arthur Posnansky, who researched the site for 50 years of his life, he believed this was another astrologically built sacred site.