2.13: Exit Wounds

[Lenny]

Captain John returns to have his revenge on Torchwood. Taking Captain Jack prisoner he sends him back in time for a long overdue reunion.

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... damn. I'm... damn.

At least I worked out the mystery of the missing Saab...

The third issue I had was when Gwen's Saab (I notice earpieces, I notice continuity issues, and I have a thing for noticing when cars are Saabs. )

And her car has changed from a Saab (9000, by the looks of it), to a bright blue Renault Megane.

It's Rhys' car. Gwen's must be the Meganne. Looks like it's a 900, rather than a 9000, too.

Whilst I get my thoughts in order, I have to say - the penultime scene was acted extremely well. Superbly well. Best I've seen.

 

[Tillane]

Yes, damn just about covers it. I sure as heck didn't see that coming, and as you said, Lenny, it was - in that penultimate scene - brilliantly executed and acted. Slightly let down by the slightly saccharine last scene, but only slightly.

They saved the best for last. Can't say fairer than that.

 

[Dave]

Any idea when there will be a repeat showing of this? I forgot about it, rang home and asked for it to be recorded, only then realising that it began at 9pm not 10pm. There was no first showing on BBC3 and I can't see a repeat tomorrow, though Doctor Who is repeated.

 

[Lenny]

There's BBC iPlayer, which makes the unmissable unmissable, if you can load it Dave, because this truly is unmissable. Either that, or Tuesday at 7pm on BBC2, though I don't know what they might cut for the kiddies.

 

[Pyan]

If only they had all been like this!
Class acting, script and production, even the the quick comeback line ("Abergavenny?")

Superb season-ender...Bravo, BBC.

 

[PTeppic]

Has to be said it was almost entirely brilliant. Some incredible acting, especially (as mentioned) near the end (and if you saw the "Declassified", some of it in a single take!).

Good to see Gwen stepping up when needed, especially with Rhys' support; but nice counter-point with her actual feeling. The team worked together, no sniping, bitching or little side-missions for personal reasons or egos. Special effects were up to the task, c.f. last season! Plot was logical, consistent, tied up (or referred to) loads of points from throughout the series; Jack/John, Jack/Gray, Victorian TW, Gwen/Rhys, Rhys/police, Tosh/Owen, Owen/weevils, crossing timelines etc.

BUT, and there were (but some are nit-picky): numerous huge "bombs" around Cardiff drags the show away from "real life" (like DW's numerous aliens over London); the power station design would never feed coolant to the control room (please!?!) and I would imagine would have fail-safe cut-outs for scramming the reactor if all external power were lost; whilst early TW finding Jack and the no-crossing-the-streams worked for me as a plot device: how did Jack stay sane, alone like that for so long and I didn't like the glibness of the reappearance, it was somehow too quick after all the effort; not sure the weevils having attack/return signals worked, for me. As I said, most are nitpicks.

 

[Harpo]

How long would it have taken Jack to dig himself out? A month? A year?

But yes, a great episode all round.

 

[PTeppic]

How long would it have taken Jack to dig himself out? A month? A year?

Interesting question - the issue us that he's not invulnerable, simply immortal. And there's a subtle difference. He does keep dying, only regenerating some time later, albeit a short time. It's going to be very slow work to dig himself out, 60-360 seconds at a time in permanently shifting earth. Yeah, okay, he has 2000 years but is it physically possible with basically normal human strength to move sufficiently under 20 feet of earth?

 

[Ursa major]

...but is it physically possible with basically normal human strength to move sufficiently under 20 feet of earth?

Perhaps he didn't even try because, never having seen Kill Bill, he didn't know it was possible.


I enjoyed this episode; shame about the exits (the events themselves, not their portrayal).

 

[ctg]

So, you are eighteen hundred years under the ground (extreme solitary confinement) and neither your mind nor your cloths suffer? How does that work? Immortal would have gone completely bonkers from a eternal cycle of resurrection, but not Captain Jack, who's all nice and dandy.

Say you die in 10 minutes, and have a 10 minutes cool down -> 3 times per hour over 1800 years, which is around 15 768 000 hours (without leap years) -> ~47 304 000 cycles of resurrection.

"So, how was it Captain Jack, to live under the ground like that?"
"Well, first ten thousand times of resurrection went fine, but then I got this awful itch on my nose..."

On nuclear power plant meltdown, why Authorities didn't evacuate Cardiff and surrounding areas?

 

[Lucien21]

Reboot for season 3 then.

Owen and Tosh dead, rumours of Jack Leaving or going part time with Martha taking over Torchwood and the series moving to Saturday Nights like Dr Who.

Final Episode was ok even if it did get mind numbingly sacchrine towards the end.

 

[PTeppic]

How about Cpt. John taking over - he's just about a new man after the experience...

 

[Lucien21]

They couldn't afford him in a million years.

He's too much of a big name to do it full time. He will probably be in a big US tv show (he's already reprising his role in Smallville at the moment.)

 

[Lenny]

I'm not looking forward to Series 3. I really liked Tosh and Owen, and I wouldn't feel right watching TW without the two in it. I probably will do, though, and get used to whoever the two new characters are, but it won't be the same.

 

[Pyan]

How do you manage with Dr Who then, Lennis? At least the two main characters will still be the same in TW Series 3, and haven't regenerated.

 

[Lenny]

It's only two characters.

I don't know why, but I've become more attached to the Torchwood actors than the Doctor Who ones. Yeah, I'll be sad when Tenant goes, but you expect that. It might be because Torchwood employees are human (well, four fifths of them are), and that the Doctor will return... I don't know.

 

[Pyan]

They couldn't afford him in a million years.

He's too much of a big name to do it full time. He will probably be in a big US tv show (he's already reprising his role in Smallville at the moment.)

I think you may be overestimating his success, Lucien: I mean, apart from Buffy/Angel, there's not much else that he's been in that is memorable, and he might just decide that TW is just what he wants.

James_Marsters

 

[Vladd67]

Here is a list of James Marsters career

 

[Dr.Jackson]

Wow! I have to agree that I did not see the deaths coming - very emotionally charged scenes, superbly acted. You can see why they could only do one take, especially when you take into account that Eve burst into tears just reading it.
Sad to see Burn Gorman and Naoko Mori go, although I couldn't see them having much more they could do with Owen, but I thought that Tosh had more to explore.

I'm glad that they did tie up the loose ends, puting Owens' 'King of the Weevils' trick to good use, explaining Tosh and the 'space-pig' from Who.
As has been pointed out, there are a few points, such as Jack having immortal clothes and sanity, that didn't mesh for me, but as a whole, I thought the episode was the best they have done so far. I just hope that they explore the effect that the deaths of close friends and team members has in the long term on the team, I don't feel it would be right to gloss over it next series as if they would be missed in a 'moved away' kind of way.

 

[PTeppic]

explaining Tosh and the 'space-pig' from Who

Oh - did I miss that?