2.06: The Walking Dead - Secrets

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    ctg

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    To be honest, I don't know what to say about this episode but that I felt uncomfortable with all the secrets, all the muddy feelings, characters grinding each other and the revelations.

    Maybe it is that in my personal life, I don't like spilling secrets and far less the people who spill them around, but let me say this, I understand why they had to come out and what sort of drama the producers were able to achieve with them. And I'm afraid that there isn't much zombie action in this, but far more typical soap that I'd come across in far too many traditional British series.

    And as we come closer to the midseason hiatus, allow me to quote this bit, where Laurie Holden explains Andrea's character evolution and what she sees in Shane:
    "You'll see in the next few episodes that she really evolves into more a level-headed person. She really overcomes a lot of her issues of grief and petulant behaviour. She emerges much stronger.

    Shane and Andrea are in many ways cut from the same cloth. He's an alpha male and she's an alpha female. She admires him greatly. He teaches her everything she knows and in the upcoming episodes, he gives her a lot of tough love, which she doesn't appreciate and it gets a little nasty, but at the end of the day, it's the best thing for her because she emerges stronger because of it."
    She also explains that Shane is going (back) to some dark places very soon, but Andrea won't see it:
    "In the upcoming episodes, he reveals a dark side to different characters, but it's something that he keeps very private and not something that Andrea is ever exposed to. She only sees the strong virile alpha male Shane, she doesn't see the dark side. If she did, she wouldn't buddy-buddy up with him."
    Finally, she says the fate of the zombies in the barn will dominate the upcoming episodes. http://io9.com/5861319/christian-bale-says-the-dark-knight-rises-will-show-who-bruce-wayne-really-is


    What did you guys thought about this?
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    Connavar

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    Shane and Andrea together made me almost sick. It felt cheap because it came out of nowwhere. I hope she will see what Shane is like really. Dale clearly sees the real Shane.

    I liked the ep even if there were too many secrets with whole Lori being pregnet.

    My fav part was Dale was invovled with Hershel secret,talking to Lori. Glenn got alot of air time to grow. It was sweet seeing how Maggie didnt want to lose him too. He cant be walkers bait!
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    ctg

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    I rationalised that it was some sort survival or quilt feeling that led from Andrea's part to reach out for nearest available person to levitate her pain. So next thing was sex and to be honest, it didn't feel right to me either, but then again, I couldn't get all the parts in the comics either. And therefore I didn't thought about it that much, just felt ill.

    What I really, really liked was Dale having a chat and finding his philosophy on why he's keeping walkers locked in the barn, and it felt absolutely logical. And I really liked that it was done by two old guys rather than Rick stomping there to demand an explanation. But I'm not going to say is it right for Hershel to keep them in the barn or not, just that I know in my heart that the zombies aren't human any longer, no matter how much one wants.

    I also agree that I liked Maggie softening up on Glenn and to his innocent smile. And it was sweet to see him bashing the geezer with a piece of shelf, and then pulling out a tiny machete to apply some additional whacking.

    What a scene - Sam Raimi would had been proud.
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    I was worried at first when Maggie went off on Lori after they got back from the pharmacy and handed her the morning-after pills. I'm glad that Lori threw them up because I think that her bringing a baby into their world may give her some reason to want to keep going.

    I also liked Dale's conversation with Hershel, especially when Hershel asked Dale if he was certain he could trust everyone in the group. I think both Dale and Hershel have an idea that what Shane said about the night Otis died isn't exactly fully true. They both seem to see more than the others think (or maybe want to)
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    ctg

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    The whole morning after pills saga has sparked a series of articles explaining that she would not had been able to abort the pre-fetus (how do you call few week old thing?). Here's a link to that article http://jezebel.com/5861592/the-walking-dead-is-spreading-icky-morning after-pill-myths
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    Andrea, Shane thing feels unnatural mostly because of how it was dealt with. They should said she was afraid and reacted to what happened. Shane was just the closest male around. I hope they dont make them a couple or something. There is not much reason to fancy Shane. He has become really twisted.

    I liked Maggie,Glenn in town scene. It was good she saw the walkers are not people. They are just monsters,walkers like Glenn called them. Its dangerous to see them as family when they want to eat you only.

    Cant wait for the barn zombies to expload in Hershel's face!
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    Based on how far along I believe she is, there is no way she would have been able to abort the pregnancy via morning after pills...if she really wanted to get rid of the baby, she'd have to physically remove it with an actual abortion/procedure.
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    The article mentions a chemical compound that the public could not be able to get from a local pharmacy. But if they would be able to make the run to a bigger hospital, do you think they would have a wisdom to administrate the needed amount without doing some sort of permanent damage?

    I personally see her attempt as dangerous manoeuvre, that one should avoid to the last possible moments, as giving a birth - in the situation they are in - would be a big moral booster.

    They need hope seriously, and as the group doesn't have an experienced doctor with them, they are in a danger of all sorts of things, in which Lori's desperate attempt tells about the ignorance - that goes in these sort of situations.

    The other thing that they need is a counsellor to keep the groups sanity in right place as I don't think that one's mind is really suited to see large number of unnatural entities like undead for a very long.

    Some of the things that fight against the sanity is the impossibility that the walker presents in their rotting form, and Max Brookes hypotheses in his Zombie Survival Guide, that the virus produces certain kind of pheromones to repel the insects assistance in the decomposition.

    As the survivors in the series doesn't understand that sort of fact, they are bordering certain kind of insanity if their survival instincts doesn't kick in and guide them to find more permanent facility to survive the hard and cold years.
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    Robert Kirkman confirms that Lori's pregnancy is not what Jenner whispered about in Rick's ear at the CDC in last season's finale:
    If it was, I would imagine that Rick would have brought that up and wouldn't have seemed surprised. I can say it's pretty safe to say that that's not what he said. I guess we're ruling that possibility out as much as I hate to. That is pretty much not what Jenner whispered.
    Kirkman also says it's a possibility that Rick and Lori will have to leave the rest of the group if they want to raise a baby:
    Yes. Anything can happen, that's really the appeal of this show. You're living without the safety net of civilization so all bets are off. We've seen that in Shane's behavior and a lot of things with Daryl (Norman Reedus). The fact that this is a group that is living together and surviving together to a certain extent, you can be lulled into thinking that that is the status quo of the show. Moving forward, we're going to be doing things that will be reminding the audience that this is definitely a television show where anything goes and not to take anything for granted. These characters could do anything at any time. Rick and Lori splitting off for the betterment of their children and safety of their family is definitely a possibility.
    He also confirms a number of upcoming developments what from what's been going on recently - Shane and Andrea's relationship will continue to grow, Andrea will confront Shane about his past with Lori, their relationship will affect what Andrea has with Dale - which Kirkman suggests might not become romantic like it does in the comic - and yes, those barn zombies will be dealt with real soon. There's more at the link. [Live Feed]
    Costar IronE Singleton promises that there will be more T-Dog on the show, if only for a very simple reason:
    There are only so many people left in that world, T-Dog has no other choice but to become more prominent. As long as he's alive, you should, definitely, expect more.
    He also says there are secrets that will be revealed in the second half of the season that he feels will dwarf revelations like Lori's pregnancy, Shane's murder, or Glenn's sex life. [TV Done Wright]
    Both Daryl actor Norman Reedus and the show's extras casting company recently announced that season two has completed filming. [Walking Dead Locations]
    Here's some more clues for the midseason finale:
    The final five minutes were intense, horrifying and, ultimately, deeply poignant. Elsewhere, two characters (literally) kiss and make up, Rick does something to a zombie he has never done before, and someone makes a surprising return.

    Spoilers. http://io9.com/5862096/gary-oldman-...plus-new-photos-from-ridley-scotts-prometheus
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    Ive just got to see this episode, so not able to comment.

    I think Andrea wants to be a tough person, like a tough bloke - which I think how she sees Shane. She'd proved she could handle a walker attack and survive then you goes for the direct sex thing with Shane

    Do I think she is being wise - I personally feel she is making more mistakes. There is more to being tough than shooting and casual sex.......

    To be honest this is the slowest of the episodes Ive seen so far and not my favourite. Not enough action to be honest for me.

    I dont think it would be good idea for a baby to be brought into this series either. Im not going to get into the ethics of (if in real life what I feel would be the best) but more from the show point of view. A baby on set, please it could be traumatised by seeing monsters around it
    So I dont think it would be a good idea for the writers to do this. I remember watching a documentary about the making of Dracula, and there was a little girl on it (a victim of Lucy when she became a vampire) that little girl really was scared and really crying due to her fear. She was too young to understand that the actor was just playing, and the poor kid was terrified.
    I think this kind of situation should be avoided in the movies, so a baby on this set I think wouldnt be a good idea
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    Missed this (again!) but just watched it on the Channel 5 website.

    Bit of a slow one. I think the sexy time in the car makes sense, actually. They're both single, young and their adrenaline would've been going wild after escaping the walkers.

    It was interesting to learn of the alternative view of Hershel et al, but I've got to say I'm not sure it's all that convincing. All walkers are dead, all try and kill others and there's no way at all to treat them.

    I think breaking the chickens' legs was pretty damned nasty, .
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    ctg

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    :) I thought that breaking chicken legs were pretty cruel as well. But I think she didn't want walkers chasing them all over the barn, and alerting the camp. And I also agree Andreas and Shane's hanky-panky wasn't preplanned, but just happened cos they were there and it was the time let some steam off.
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    Andrea seems to be making a lot of mistakes.
    I completely agree on that.

    It may have seemed to be a soapy episode, but I'm glad these secrets came out at this point. It seems to me that the story is now more able to move forward. It has been focussed too much on these things.
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