Things that the Series tells us that the books didn't

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    Gry Wnd

    Gry Wnd New Member

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    The purpose of this thread is to talk specifically about those things that the series has confirmed or out right told us that the books didn't.

    Renly and Loras is a mild example of this, but I assume there will be others so finding them in random episode discussions or their own threads just seems less organized to me.

    I may be wrong but I don't remember Ned telling Robert that Whila (SP?) was Jon's mother in the AGOT

    I am also pretty sure that we didn't know the two that Aria over heard talking were Ilerio and Varys. Pretty sure I only knew that because of this forum

    I admit I'm not the best at finding these instances but I felt that a thread to organize and discuss them is in order.. If it doesn't work out, hey at least gave thread-starting a try :)
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    TK-421

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    Well, the descriptions of Illyrio and Varys in the dungeons left very little doubt who they were.

    I do believe that Wylla's name was mentionned at least once. Will need to look it up.
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    The Imp

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    Good thread idea

    Wylla had been mentioned

    GRRM confirmed quite a while back that the men Arya overhears are, in fact, Illyrio and Varys. The voices that Dotirce used in the audiobook were that of those two as well, I assum,e at the direction of GRRm, or someone speaking for him.

    We are certainly finding things out earlier. Sam's back story. Renly/Loras. The fact that the Others "raise the dead", clues that i won't say becuase the thing they reveal hasn't been revealed in the show yet.
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    viZion

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    In the book, Ned doesn't say to Robert, "Wylla is Jon's mother." The conversation is more natural and it's strongly implied that Wylla is Jon's mother. It's a "fact" that Robert already knows so there's no need for Ned to tell him again. It's just two bros reminiscing about the past. The conversation went something like this:

    Robert: Remember all the chicks we banged while out on campaign?
    Ned: You did all the banging, Your Majesty.
    Robert: Well, there was that ONE girl you bagged. What was her name again?
    Ned: Wylla.
    Robert: Ah yes, she must have been a real 10 to make you forget your honor for once.

    The implication here is that Ned only strayed from Cat once, came back to Winterfell with a kid, so therefore Wylla is Jon's mother.
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    Eulalia

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    Do you suppose the whole "someone wants fresh cadavers" thing is going to end up being a lead in to the Frankenstein's monster experiments?
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    Gry Wnd

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    Yeah what the hell was that a reference too?
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    Mesanna

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    Oooh clever Eulalia! :)

    I was a bit disgusted by that part of the discussion, but I'm certain that it's been mentioned for a reason.
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    Gry Wnd

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    Again, when watching I often say to may self "was that told us in the book" (thinking fact wise) and I'd like a thread to go to, to see what you experts think ;)
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    viZion

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    This may or may not count, but having Tyrion brought to life onscreen has totally changed my opinion of his ultimate purpose in this series. I know it's a popular theory that Tyrion will become one of "heads of the dragon" and I kinda bought into that theory. But after seeing Tyrion in this series, I just don't see him riding a dragon or leading an army in that way. Am I just being discriminatory because now I'm actually seeing a little person instead of just having him exist in mind? He just doesn't seem.....powerful? I don't know that that's the right word but it's my feeling that Tyrion won't be riding dragons with Dany after seeing the TV series.
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    C Of K

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    I actually see Tyrion as the opposite. Before, I didn't think all that much about the saddle that he designed for Bran and himself. Now I can see him designing special contraptions to ride dragons with.
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    Hilarious Joke

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    I can't see anyone riding dragons! Seems too fantastical for this gritty, realistic series... :p

    But I suppose there's a good chance it will happen.
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    C Of K

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    Lol. Good point, HJ.

    Another thing that the series lets us know, that the books don't, is that Littlefinger knows about Vary's meeting with Illyrio. The only hint in the books, that I can recall, was something Littlefinger said about having Varys by the balls, and he may have said that before Varys met with Illyrio. There may have been other references to this in the books, but I can't remember them if there are.
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    Brian Turner

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    I wondered who this lord might be. I thought Gregor initially.
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    TK-421

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    Wait until we meet Qyburn in AFFC (if the series makes it that far).
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    The Imp

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    I'm not sure that Qyburn was whom Littlefinger was referring to when he said that. My feeling was that the person who wanted the dead bodies wanted them for the purpose of necrophelia rather than necromancy. It's not even clear that Qyburn is near enough to take advantage of Littlefingers services
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    Eulalia

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    I do believe that Littlefinger implied that it was necrophilia (so maybe gratuituous gross out) and his willingness to supply that service is fairly extreme.

    I did wonder if it forshadowed, or was a cover for, the necromancy or should we call it experimental anatomy. This is Littlefinger, so it is hard to tell what he is really up to. Can't recall where Qyburn is, so that is a problem.

    Okay now I can't recall either, did the other Targs ride their dragons or did they command them? Do the books ever say?

    I think Tyrion will be a Hand again. I think it is possible that he will fly a dragon with a saddle of his own making or help someone else. He makes a point of owning who you are, so it is possible that he will command an army by embracing the Half hand. Or Jon or Bran will. But, stay tuned...
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    Wiggum

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    Honestly, I think Varys was pretty much calling Littlefinger a glorified pimp.

    As an insult.

    No one, even those of us that have read the books, is going to really remember that exchange four years from now....when a connection could, in theory, be made.
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    Lofwyr

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    Agree with Wiggum. The necrophilia thing was just Varys trash talking and dropping veiled threats. Much like Ser Allister talking about eating people in episode 4 (which I'm pretty sure wasn't in the books).

    To me the series is confirming the R+L=J theory. There is more being made about Jon's parentage in the series than there was in the first book. It is clearly something the producers want people to wonder, even after Ned tossed out Wylla as a red herring.

    ---the conversation in which Wylla came up was pretty much the same in both show and book fwiw.

    edit: pretty sure the Targs rode their dragons. I doubt this will be an issue in the series though. Dany's dragons will be 8 years old at most by the end of the series, probably not big enough to ride. I think they said the Balerion and co. were a century old or something when Aegon crossed.
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    TK-421

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    Yes, yes, I did not mean to say it was Qyburn (he is the ex-maester that serves Cersei in AFFC and performs nazi-style experiments in prisoners, etc. and supposedly may have created a new Champion for Cersei - FrankenGregor).

    I was only saying that if people were surprised or shocked by the reference to necrophelia, wait until Qyburn is introduced since he is involved in some pretty horrific stuff.
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    Eulalia

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    Imagination says they rode the dragons, but I may be hopelessly influenced by having read all those Pern stories. (proactive interference, right Imp?!) However, there is a lot about warging in the Song of Ice and Fire. I have no proof, and a poorer memory.

    Some day, people may watch the series without having a gap. Or they may read all the books without the long wait. (dramatic pause, deep breath, cue violin) Some DAY, over the rainbow...blue birds fly....

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