33:11 Heaven Sent

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The Doctor now bereft of Clara, is trapped in a castle, being hunted by something that can only be referred to as an aspect of death. The only way of escaping the inevitable is to speak a truth, something the Doctor has never been good at.

And each time he utters a confession the layout of the castle changes.

In a trap specifically made just for him, can the Doctor actually escape?
 
Well, what can I say about this episode?

I suppose on the simplest level I enjoyed it. I thought that the trap worked well, and was a nice mysterious construction. The creature was well realised and was scary in it's own way.

Peter Capaldi absolutely shone in the part, giving us a Doctor that stole the show and carried it virtually on his own. It was interesting to see how he deals with problems, especially the life or death kind, his memory palace as it were.

I did, however, think that there was an awful lot of Tom Baker in his performance, both in the way he played it, the intonation of some words, and the way in which it was written. On occasion I almost had to look again to see if there was a long scarf in view!

The means of his escape was clever but seemed a bit trite, and it took me a while to get my head around how the Doctor kept coming back. (More on this later (When spoilers start coming out)

And the reveal of who was behind it? Well I guessed at the end of the last episode, so it was not much of a surprise, but still a great moment.

Next week is going to be either the episode that makes or breaks what has been up until now, one of the best series of the Moffatt era.
 
I really liked it -- and I think I'd have been terrified if I'd seen it in the 1960s -- but I found one thing quite annoying at times: I couldn't always make out what the Doctor was saying because:
  1. he wasn't always talking loud enough (which is okay in itself, given that he was on his own most of the time);
  2. whoever set the volume for the music didn't always seem to take account of how quietly the Doctor was speaking.


Oh, and one line really stood out for me: "I've finally run out of corridor. There’s a life summed up"
 
I really liked it -- and I think I'd have been terrified if I'd seen it in the 1960s -- but I found one thing quite annoying at times: I couldn't always make out what the Doctor was saying because:
  1. he wasn't always talking loud enough (which is okay in itself, given that he was on his own most of the time);
  2. whoever set the volume for the music didn't always seem to take account of how quietly the Doctor was speaking.


Oh, and one line really stood out for me: "I've finally run out of corridor. There’s a life summed up"
In the words of my misspent youth, man this was a real trip
I also had a lot of trouble hearing what the Doctor was saying; but he was, after all, just talking to himself out loud. He didn't seem to be aware that we were watching and listening.o_O
I plan to watch this one again, with the captioning on, to get a real feel for what it's saying and how I feel about it.
 
I was mostly confused about this one, although I did guess what was going on pretty early on. I had the captioning on anyway, so I didn't notice he was speaking too quietly.

Not sure if I really liked it or not.
 
i really liked this episode - i always feel there is a real opportunity for a bit more darkness in Doctor Who, and it's rarely there. this episode had some of that and i will admit i got a bit jumpy in parts. it's also the first episode in this series that i immediately wanted to watch again.

i thought the ending was a bit naff. well, until he got out - it being his confession dial was good. but i think i would have believed it a bit better if he'd taken the spade in to room 12 and chipped away with that, instead of punching the wall. also, the engineer in me immediately thought that after a billion plus trips through the puzzle, surely at some point something would have gone wrong - the teleport room resetting itself incorrectly, the Doctor not making it back there, or something that would have screwed it all up. after all, no matter how small the chance, after that long,it's gonna happen. and, a billion skulls would have buried the castle... just saying

i did think that capaldi was great, and i really like his version of the doctor

as an aside, so many double episodes have there been in this series. i think Sleep no More has been the only single episode
 
@Mr Orange Well....
also, the engineer in me immediately thought that after a billion plus trips through the puzzle, surely at some point something would have gone wrong - the teleport room resetting itself incorrectly, the Doctor not making it back there, or something that would have screwed it all up. after all, no matter how small the chance, after that long,it's gonna happen. and, a billion skulls would have buried the castle... just saying
Give or take that the whole thing may not have been real, but a created reality; in which case, there weren't trillions** of Doctors (or trillions of skulls), just the one, one's whose few hours*** of memories were being wiped over and over again. (I don't think the use, by the writer, of the Retcon in the previous episode was random; not that I'm suggesting that Retcon itself was used, just the concept of wiping past "experiences".)

And also recall (pun intended) that the only reasons that the Doctor "knew" he had been there for a long time were: 1) the change in the positions of the stars****; 2) the change in the crystal. Both could have been manipulated. The only argument here is whether those playing with the Doctor wanted him to give up the Hybrid's location by confessing or by any means available. And he did tell them anyway: he said it was him*****. (He may still have been lying, of course; but that links back to his behaviour in episode 2, with Davros: playing along with his enemy for his own purposes.)

Perhaps we should look back at this season's other episodes to see whether there are other hints as to what was really happening in this one.


** - He was there for, at most, a few hours, so could have gone round the loop almost seven hundred days per "year". (And that's if one assumes he was in a real place; but see ***.)

*** - Again, I don't think expanding a few moments in "reality" into minutes of monologue/dialogue on the mind-TARDIS was put there just to get Clara back in the episode: it was showing that time itself was being played with (but not in the usual timey-wimey way, but in the way we do when writing fiction).

**** - I would have thought that someone might have stumbled upon the tower during those billions of years, given that it remained in the same place. More likely that it didn't exist at all as a physical construction.

***** - I'm reminded of an episode ("The Interrogators") of the Avengers (Steed and Tara King) where agents are told (by enemy agents pretending to be part of the department) they're being tested to see whether they will give up any information. They don't, not until they're told the exercise is over, when they do so by accident when relaxing afterwards. (It has been on a couple of times over the last few months, on True Entertainment -- Channel 61 on Freeview.)
 
Face The Raven, surely? (There has to be one more: you can't have one single and a number of doubles in ten -- or twelve if you count the last two -- episodes.)

I should have said "so far ". 11 episodes with 5 doubles. And like Tim said it actually looks like it will be a triple to finish off
 
Oh and @Ursa major....

I'll give you the skulls, but the Doctor has still been through the puzzle billions or trillions of times so trillions of iterations for something to go wrong, even if it is a memory wipe. Any process, repeated that many times, is very likely to suffer a screw-up.Also, he is there for more than a few hours (of his time at least) as he eats, sleeps and "works". And it takes him a day and a half to get up to the telephone room.

Regarding hints in other episodes, there are a few mentions of hybrids, which I thought was leading up to something but felt very clunky compared to previous seasons
 
@Mr Orange
the Doctor has still been through the puzzle billions or trillions of times
He has calculated that he has, based entirely on the position of the stars and the progress through the crystal. He has no memory of any previous jaunt through the puzzle. (For all we know, we saw his first jaunt....)

We saw him go through it (it being not an actual place, but an experienced place) a few dozen times, but we have no evidence** that he went through more times than that.

** - It would be a misleading narrative but not necessarily a dishonest one: the only record of "progress" was the Doctor calculating the elapsed time, based on the stars/crystal. (And it wasn't as if the Doctor spent any time in the TARDIS even though we saw him in there, so I think they've covered themselves on this.
 
I tremendously enjoyed this episode and I'm not even going to try to reason about or try to figure out the why. It just worked so well for me on every level and I'll just enjoy it.


^^^^ Yes that. I have the usual techy niggles but I always do :) But otherwise - fabulous episode!

Lots of photos from next week on the Dr Who News page - looks VERY exciting :)
 
@Ursa major

i think only showing a few was necessity rather than a sneaky suggestion he didn't actually do it all that many times. after all, i don't think they had time left in the episode for a trillion passes through the puzzle... also, if they were trying to force a confession, it would seem counter-productive if the builders of the puzzle let him out after only a few times.

a side issue that i thought of due to this discussion is why didn't the crystal re-set? all the other rooms did... does that imply the builders/time lords did actually want the doctor to get out?
 
@Mr Orange
does that imply the builders/time lords did actually want the doctor to get out?
I think it very well might. (Otherwise, why** have a way out at all?) With any luck, this question will be answered on Saturday. :)

I think the beauty of the episode is that so much is open to alternative explanations while, at the same time, it can be enjoyed and "understood" for what is there purely on the surface. This contrasts with a lot of visual (and written) SFF, which too often falls apart at least bit of close examination.

** - Note that we're both making an assumption, by the way: that the Confession Dial is not a player (pun intended) in this drama. Or, for that matter, that the Doctor had/has nothing to do with at least setting some of the parameters of how it works. So it might be something intrinsic to the Confession Dial that there is a way out; or it might be that the Doctor made sure that there was one (and that the first time the word "bird" appeared was not because the Doctor inside the Dial wrote it, but because the Doctor put it put it there when he set the Dial up).
 
@Ursa major

i had assumed that when the doctor gave the confession dial to Me, she gave it to the time lords who manipulated it to create the puzzle. still not sure how the dial works, but if the doctor set it up, then i would have thought he'd have recognised it... maybe...

anyway, i agree that it was a great episode and i'm glad this season is getting all complicated, even if it is almost the end.
 
Upon further review, I have concluded that the only "real" event in this episode was the Doctor's teleportation to Gallifrey.
Everything else -- the moving castle, the fly-infested death figure, Clara, the TARDIS -- was all in his grief-stricken mind.

I can't decide if the mind trap was induced by the Gallifreyan heavies, or if it was created by the Doctor's own impossibly intricate 2,000-year-old mind as a means of dealing with Death. I'm favoring the latter because I can't see how the true nature of the prophesied hybrid was all that valuable, especially when he defiantly volunteered that revelation at the end.

Maybe this was all obvious to the more mentally gifted out there, or maybe I'm completely off the mark. I had to watch this episode twice to get any kind of grip, right or wrong, with my aging, oftentimes challenged brain. This was a brilliant piece of writing from Steven Moffat, albeit a bit cerebral for casual viewing. As Mr. Gumby might say: "Doctor! My brain hurts!"

Another question raised: If the Doctor is the hybrid, what's complementing his Gallifreyan component?

Final question: Why are we hiding spoilers in a clearly named episode?:confused:
 
Final question: Why are we hiding spoilers in a clearly named episode?:confused:
I can't speak for the first post that contained a spoiler, but I thought it would be rude if I quoted, and responded to, something inside a spoiler without also flagging my words as a possible spoiler.
 

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