Windows 10 - yes or no?

That happened to me, too, the other day, but I couldn't stop it and the bloody thing took over. Next thing I know I couldn't use my Kaspersky with it, so we spent ages removing the Windows 10, but the Kaspersky still wouldn't work, so more hours sorting that out. Then a matter of days later I went and broke the lap top and had to buy another -- and the only ones I could get in my price range all had Windows 8 which I'd been warned against, so I've had to go onto Windows 10 after all. :mad:
 
Just had a pop-up ask me if I wanted to upgrade to Windows 10. The options were:

Upgrade Now
Upgrade Later

I clicked for "Later" (ie, never) - but the bloody thing then tried to start the Windows 10 download! Luckily I was able to cancel this in the next pop-up, which provided a direct link to my Download settings - so I clicked through "Optional downloads", saw Windows 10 was checked, and then unchecked it.

Cheeky Microsoft!

It won't stay unchecked, believe me. As it's only an optional update, we should be OK, but to be on the safe side I've turned off automatic installing of updates, in case they upgrade it to "important" (which is unlikely, but who knows with these pushy idiots?)
 
Just had a pop-up ask me if I wanted to upgrade to Windows 10. The options were:

Upgrade Now
Upgrade Later

I clicked for "Later" (ie, never) - but the bloody thing then tried to start the Windows 10 download! Luckily I was able to cancel this in the next pop-up, which provided a direct link to my Download settings - so I clicked through "Optional downloads", saw Windows 10 was checked, and then unchecked it.

Cheeky Microsoft!
I had this too, but just closed the pop up without choosing. Nothing seems to have happened.
 
Windows 8.1 is okay. :) It has its quirks, but then so does Windows 7. (After all, they're both versions of Windows.)

To get rid of (most of**) the nagging, look to see if you've installed KB3035583, whose role has nothing to do with fixing issues (security or otherwise) but is there to facilitate the advertising and eventual downloading of Windows 10.

I have my PC and laptop (W7 and W8.1 respectively) set to check for updates and tell me when they're available for downloading, but because KB3035583 was a recommended update and said nothing about W10, I downloaded it (only discovering what it is by accident, in a Grauniad article that said that W10 itself would be a recommended update next year. (It would, apparently, let one know that it was W10, though possible only because its size would already be a giveaway.) In the meantime, I think people who've expressed an interest in W10 may have (unwittingly) told M$ that W10 is an acceptable update.

But with W10, being able to pick and choose is, apparently, no longer an option, not for home users. According to this (different) Grauniad article, updates will follow one of two rules (not the current three): 1) download, install and reboot the computer automatically; 2) download, install and ask to reboot the computer. Each user will have to be confident that their hardware support is compatible with how W10 evolves***.


** - It doesn't go away entirely. :(

*** - Isn't W10 able to be the last Windows because it'll always be changing? (That's what I heard, but may be wrong.)
 
They are back porting the data slurping to Win 7 and Win 8.x. Also they have renamed the service in Win10 to catch out folk that figured how to disable the Telemetry.

My theory is that MS secretly own a major Linux Distro. Why else are they trying to make their OS illegal in most of the world and alienate their entire corporate customer base. None of this makes any commercial sense.
 
Ms wants to cut down its support costs and a big way to do that is to get everyone on the same OS. If they can do that their next target is to do what Adobe are doing and a lot of other big names which is to shift from single cost purchases onto a rolling account approach. Ergo you pay X a month/year and get the software along with every automatic update for it. That means everyone is running the same software, updated at about the same time and you've got money trickling in all the time.

The other option is shifting to a free OS but having "app" bolt ons for everything (which considering how the mobile market basically works that way - heck even basic things like a calculator are now downloadable "apps" is not a far cry from a possibility)
 
Corporate customers have enterprise agreements or software assurance which means they pay large yearly fees and are entitled to use the latest version of the software. Most take so long to upgrade that they're usually a version behind.

Pretty much all of the corporate IT managers I've spoken to still consider Windows 7 the latest desktop OS from Microsoft. They allow Windows 8.1 on laptops and that's it. They generally have some techies running Windows 10 but other than that they have no interest in considering it for end users until the end of next year at the earliest.

Microsoft is probably seeing Apple and Google making money from their respective app stores and is looking to target that market with Windows 10. Currently they make no money from the consumer once you have the OS.

Adobe's move to subscription is a little worrying. Consumers, or hobbyists tend to buy the professional software packages they use in alternate years in order to keep the costs down. Whether that be photo editing, video editing, animation etc. If money becomes tight then it's no issue to keep using the current package rather than upgrade. The problem in Adobe's subscription approach is once you stop paying, the software either stops working or switches to read only.

There are of course a variety of free alternatives, which Ray would happily point out. (y)
 
of course a variety of free alternatives
Not to Adobe photoshop. I bought Paint Shop Pro7. There are other newer packages for advanced photo editing that are OK, but none free. Simple Crop / Resize / Gamma etc, yes, plenty of free stuff.

People (even companies) may buy software and less and less frequently update, because frankly newer versions often WORSE (PSP 10 vs PSP7, MS Office with Ribbon compare to Office 97, 2002/XP or 2003).

Maybe 20 years ago you had to upgrade every year, and 15 years ago every other year. Not any longer. OS X, Linux, Windows, MS Office etc long ago stopped getting more productive in any significant sense. If MS released a single "Professional" classic Edition, with all the best of NT4, W2K and XP, that would really sell. All this fake differentiation of versions, trying to make desktop/laptop compatible with tablets and phones, monkeying around with were stuff lives, windows 2.0 style artwork, data slurping etc is absolute insanity. They have lost sight of WHY 14 years later over 25% of PCs still run XP and why people prefer Office 2002/2003 etc.

They lost the plot sometime around 2003/ 2004. The Ribbon, Vista, Win 8.x (Win7 should have been free to Vista users it's only a fix up of Vista), Win 10, Subscription, Data slurping, One API/GUI for everything is all madness. Modern UI / Metro is based on Zune. It's a fine idea for a phone or small tablet. Larger tablets need a different GUI as do Laptop/Desktops. Xbox & TVs need yet another GUI. Servers need the ability to do EVERY command via GUI, or scripts or text Console. I can't see this ending well. I thought when Ballmer and Sinofsky went that MS would "get it", but no they seem determined to force the "Cloud", half finished ill designed Win 10, abusing privacy, and subscription down people's throats. It would be a great opportunity for OS X (except recent versions are going backwards) and Linux Ubuntu (except current Gnome, Systemd, Unity etc is madness). So even experts are not sure what to do for the best. People are either trying to stick with what they have, OSX or various Linux (Mint with Mate Desktop seems to be doing better than Ubuntu). It's not pretty. If Win 10 is so great why has MS to not just give it free but make it very hard to avoid it?

The idea of replicating iTunes and Playstore for Laptop/Desktop windows is doomed. Even Apple hasn't locked down OS X like that.

Subscription model for software is a total rip off. That's why Adobe has changed to it and MS wants to change to it.

I can't recommend anything to anyone any more. :(

If you only do email, writing and Web, then Linux Mint.

If you want to do advanced media editing, then maybe OS X. You'll need a new computer and lots of money. Apple may scrap Mac and OS X any year. They only have a commitment to their own hardware, and only when it's making good money. The Mac Servers are gone. The iPod Classic is gone. Though iThings are very expensive Apple will not let you access the onboard data via USB storage, you have to use an iTune client. Nor will they add a 50c SD card socket (the connections and SW cost effectively nothing).

If you have a load of specialist Windows applications and you are on XP, then Win7 / Win8 / Win10 might not work anyway. WINE on Linux might or might not work.
 
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I only use Windows for games, video editing and iTunes these days. Oh, and some support stuff for work. Otherwise it's various Linux variants, or the iPad. I can't see ever going back to Windows as something I use daily.

Couldn't even install Windows 10 on that PC if I wanted to, because it breaks the VPN I need for work.

Oh, and don't forget: now Microsoft have said there will be one Windows and it will be Windows 10, and updates will be mandatory... when they next decide to radically change the user interface, it will just appear on your PC one day with no option to stay with the old version.
 
Edward, that's disappointing to hear.

It's like Microsoft are remembering all the terrible PR they got with the pre-launch of Xbox One and are thinking "How do we get that for our PC business...?"
 
Interesting it just tried it with me too - changing my default to "detect and install" and auto selecting windows 10. Honestly very shady but it will likely work at getting a LOT of people caught into Windows 10 without realising.

I've got 8.1 and I've no reason to want to update.
 
Software does not wear out. What is to stop people from using the same OS for 100 years?

How can they make money on that? LOL

I am working at a school using mostly Windows 7. I don't even like 8. In the upgrades menu you can disable automatic upgrades and take the W10 upgrade icon out of the tray in the lower right. But Macroscam did screw with the W10 upgrade select so it will not stay hidden.

psik
 
I've got a fairly new laptop with 8.1 and will probably go 10 next year some time. I've also got a fairly powerful desktop running XP and intend to turn that over to running LINUX at about the same time. What's the easiest way of doing that?

I suppose I have to have XP running in order to download LINUX but then what? Configure a new partition for it? Do I still need the old XP partition?
 
I suppose I have to have XP running in order to download LINUX but then what? Configure a new partition for it? Do I still need the old XP partition?

The weird thing is that Linux installs seemed to be easier and work better 5 to 10 years ago. LOL

Download a live CD image and burn it to CD or DVD. The install Should lead you through. If you have never done this before I would suggest getting another hard drive and install there first to become familiar with the procedure. You could copy your drive first and mess with the copy.

Check this out:

Ultimate Boot CD - Download the UBCD

psik
 
The weird thing is that Linux installs seemed to be easier and work better 5 to 10 years ago. LOL

Download a live CD image and burn it to CD or DVD. The install Should lead you through. If you have never done this before I would suggest getting another hard drive and install there first to become familiar with the procedure. You could copy your drive first and mess with the copy.

Check this out:

Ultimate Boot CD - Download the UBCD

psik

Excellent! Never thought of burning a CD! I can do away with the XP partition altogether. Just out of interest approx how much disc space does the initial LINUX implementation need?

PS Thanks for your help. :)
 
It's just tried the "now or later?" thing again, and started the download. After stopping that, I hid the update, so let's see if that has any effect.

ETA: No, it didn't. It's unhidden and re-checked it. I really, really resent that I'm being made to feel paranoid about my own computer, effectively forced (due to that paranoia) to make it less safe (by turning off automatic important updates) and generally being made to feel stressed. If any Microsoft executive came round here now I'm not sure I'd be responsible for my actions.
 
How do you turn off said updates?

I got the pop-up again, clicked X again. It's annoying me.
 
Excellent! Never thought of burning a CD! I can do away with the XP partition altogether. Just out of interest approx how much disc space does the initial LINUX implementation need?

PS Thanks for your help. :)

It may vary with which distro but most should fit in 10 gig or less some in 5. Thinking of 10 gig as small is still kind of amazing to me since my first hard drive was 20 megabytes. LOL

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psik
 
I have "important" still checked - but the Windows 10 upgrade comes under "optional upgrades" for me.

Same here -- but I've heard they will be making it a "recommended" update at some point (so if you have the settings box "give me recommended updates in the same way I receive important updates" checked, it could in theory install it automatically), and I wouldn't put it past them to make it an "important" one, just because I now have lost all trust in them.

@thaddeus6th, it's in control panel, updates, change settings.
 
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