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You're in a good place, yorelm. You're taking your critique with a good, robust attitude which will win you lots of help in the future. This place is such a terrific resource for writers, but it's hard when people complain and grumble and argue with critique. It kind of puts people off doing it again.

I like your style!

Enjoy your writing and your editing x
 
If this is going to be steam punk there might need to be something soon within the pages to tie it into that category. It's not necessarily an absolute but when I start reading steam punk I like to see gaslamps, airships, gear driven devices, steam cars and trains, edwardian or victorian dress.

You could look at the word limit as a challenge to tighten your work before you list it here. Not that I'd advocate slaughtering it as a sacrifice to stringent and necessary limits, but this looks like it could be tightened; for instance look at the first three paragraphs and I'll butcher it for you as example, but don't take it to heart it's just an exercise to show...

Delling poured his last shot of Bourbon, a man condemned, savoring his final moments at the lodge. A drift of smoke averted his attention to his friend and senior lodge member, Arthur; leaning against the grand geared clockwork that took the better portion of the wall. He needn't have looked, since the infernal smoke of the cigar was enough to announce the mans presence and even set off a series of memories of legendary hunts that marched across Delling's mind like a dying mans life might. The three of them off on safari Arthur, Delling and that cigar; its a wonder they bagged anything with it warning all the game of their presence. It's little help when Arthur speaks. "Any last words?"

Take some words away add misdirection and create the appearance of a potential conflict that's life threatening while sneaking a bit of gear work into the background.
 
I see a very strong difference of styles here, Tinker Dan, but I get the point, and I get it clearly.
There's still something I like about my more "distant" version, but just a lot less of it.
And like I mentioned prev, I do go to Delling's head for the rest of the story. Only this piece is written this way. I completely understand how to be "deep."

But this is the clincher: Take some words away add misdirection and create the appearance of a potential conflict that's life threatening while sneaking a bit of gear work into the background.
Now thems some good words.
 
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this place already.
You're not finished with me yet! hah

Kerry's spot on. You need to be robust and open minded when receiving crits, and you've definitely responded in an encouraging manner.

This place is great, if rather addictive. If you've some spare time you should head over to the writing challenges. We've got two great challenges open for October - a 300 word challenge and a 75 word one. They're great practice and will get you well known amongst the regulars.

Warning: the discussion threads do have the propensity to become rather silly :D
 
Kerry's spot on. You need to be robust and open minded when receiving crits, and you've definitely responded in an encouraging manner.

This place is great, if rather addictive. If you've some spare time you should head over to the writing challenges. We've got two great challenges open for October - a 300 word challenge and a 75 word one. They're great practice and will get you well known amongst the regulars.

Warning: the discussion threads do have the propensity to become rather silly :D

Right up my alley (did I use a cliche?). You should be around whenever me and my Mom get together.
A complete silly fest. Everybody else has to leave. Heredity like you wouldn't believe.
 
Yeah, and who's usually behind the descent into daftness? Clue: Eddie Murphy avatar.

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I wanted to comment last night but it was late and I was battered from work. I don't really have anything new to add really, but echo the compliments on the tightness of your writing style (and an extra 12% applause for using Scrivener). I don't mind slow builds at all - in fact I quite depend on them in my own work - so that was fine for me. I also don't mind the slightly distanced POV as it makes a nice change, and the clarity of your writing makes it easy to read anyway. You say you get closer as the story progresses anyway, so maybe it won't present too big an issue anyway.

The thing is I don't like marzipan, so there's that. o_O

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(ps - as per your intro thread - yes, definitely get into the flash challenges - they will tighten your written even further. I can't labour that point enough.)
 
Thanks Phyre. I look to that old Hemingway skool of lean, clear writing. Pretty words can be really cool; it has its readers and writers. But I write (and read) more for story than pretty prose. Some folk are reverse, and many prefer both. Of course, I don't mean the extreme--a great story written fairly crappy-ly will make dents in the wall.

Scrivener? Love it to death. Just updated today, matter of fact.
I'm on Windows, so still waiting to catch up with the Mac version.
It has some features and functionality I'd love to have--right now.
 
Well, I'm certainly late to this conversation, but I figured I'd jump in anyway. Your opening makes it feel like the character is just going to the dentist or something like that. An annoyance, but ultimately not terribly harmful, and supposedly helpful in the long run. That idea seems to be reinforced by the supporting characters chiding him about his attitude towards the event, and to me it fits into the style. For me the slow lead in worked out, but everyone else has been doing this much longer than I :p

I didn't read the lead in text, so I had no idea this was supposed to be steam punk. I read it more as a wild west setting, especially with the clothing being described, although I will admit that I'm not quite sure what a tombstone hat is, but it struck me as western. That might be what Tinkerdan was noticing when he wrote that edited first paragraph, including more obvious descriptions of steam punk items. Perhaps when they look at the clock, make it something with visible steam mechanisims, rather than a typical grandfather clock, or perhaps make the carriage a steam locomotive instead. Those early steam and gas cars pretty much were carriages.

On a final note, I'm impressed with the maturity you have shown in regard to the critiques. You're someone who is serious about getting better, and it's quite nice to see.
 
Well, I'm certainly late to this conversation, but I figured I'd jump in anyway. Your opening makes it feel like the character is just going to the dentist or something like that. An annoyance, but ultimately not terribly harmful, and supposedly helpful in the long run. That idea seems to be reinforced by the supporting characters chiding him about his attitude towards the event, and to me it fits into the style. For me the slow lead in worked out, but everyone else has been doing this much longer than I :p

I didn't read the lead in text, so I had no idea this was supposed to be steam punk. I read it more as a wild west setting, especially with the clothing being described, although I will admit that I'm not quite sure what a tombstone hat is, but it struck me as western. That might be what Tinkerdan was noticing when he wrote that edited first paragraph, including more obvious descriptions of steam punk items. Perhaps when they look at the clock, make it something with visible steam mechanisims, rather than a typical grandfather clock, or perhaps make the carriage a steam locomotive instead. Those early steam and gas cars pretty much were carriages.

On a final note, I'm impressed with the maturity you have shown in regard to the critiques. You're someone who is serious about getting better, and it's quite nice to see.
As a reader, what you feel is just as important to me as anybody else.
The steampunk reference was just all wrong. I think I said that only because I didn't know really how to classify the story. But steampunk it's obviously not.

Late or not, I'm glad you stopped by, Saharren. Thank you.
 
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I'm starting to think that historical fiction, or alternative historical fiction would be more apt for this story. With the more wild west/frontier dress code, it would fit much better, and leave you free to experiment, since alternative histories are basically a whole new world that is just tied to this one by similar events.
 
I like that idea. This story was a first for me in a lot of ways: never tried anything historical, nor tried an opening like this.
So this offered a lot of newness, not completely successfully, but I don't feel wo merit either. Good learning experience.
I usually write urban fant or completely alternative world stuff.
 
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I had a few problems with editing my post, but hopefully this version gets across well enough. I echo some of the sentiments about the story not reaching out and grabbing me from the beginning.

It wouldn't have stopped me personally from reading anything further, but I would be watching for things to get interesting.

I look forward to future installments, but it is interesting to find that I might have to wait a bit longer before submitting my own work for critique, 100 posts rather than 30, to get into the super-secret writer's forum that apparently side steps some 'previously published' rule I don't know about yet.

Not that I ever intend to let a traditional publisher boss me around, but I'll have to look into that 'previously published' rule to see if it will interfere with my nefarious plans to take over the world, as it were, and land on the National Best-Sellers List.

The Fallacies of Netra Pinkama

Delling poured himself one more shot of Bourbon, savoring these last few moments at the lodge. In less than five minutes, he’d be forced into a week of a life he dreaded. It wasn’t something he could easily refuse--not without causing friction with high-minded officials. The best plan was to go along to keep peace. You might have an opportunity to punch it up a little with an opening dialog something like "One last shot of bourbon for the road," Delling mumbled darkly, as he savored his last few moments at the lodge. "A week among the dredges," he added with disgust, "and no good reason for it."

He stroked his beard and turned to Arthur who stood by the bookcase. Arthur was a senior lodge member and the two of them hunted more rabbits, deer, and occasional buffalo than anybody else Delling partnered with. This sentence troubled me in ways I guess I'm just not experienced enough to explain. Perhaps 'Arthur was a senior lodge member, and together the two of them had bagged more rabbits, deer, and the occasional buffalo than anybody else Delling had hunted with.' They'd even set [the county] lodge record for 1852, probably more than any other lodge in the state. I'm not 100% sure why this needs to be here, but I assume it has to do with setting up background on Delling himself. The three of them--him, Arthur and Arthur's damned ever-present cigar. You'd smell the man long before you [ever] saw him.

Arthur exhaled a puff of smoke. “Well, your time has finally come, Delling.” His voice echoed in the sparsely furnished room. When I try to picture this hunting lodge, 'richly furnished' probably wouldn't be any more fitting than 'sparsely furnished', but I would want some better sense of the ambiance of the place. This isn't just some hunting cabin in the woods. It's a 'hunting lodge' for the rich and decadent, who fancy themselves above the common rabble. “Any last words? You look fine in those rags, by the way."

Delling's supplied outfit wasn't rags so much as bad taste--a tombstone hat he refused to wear, breeches that barely stayed up without a tight belt, a horrid red bib shirt, and over-sized snakeskin boots. Common clothes for common folk--which he was emphatically not--but they were comfortable. Being forced into poverty had one advantage so far. Still, Delling sneered at Arthur’s comment and didn’t grace him with a response.

James, their treasurer, added more salt. “Law is law. All of us, except you and Lawrence, have done our ‘poor week.’ I can tell you first hand that it was an...entertaining break from my comfort--and you fellows. Not as dreadful as you might think. I feel a better man for it.”

“This law,” Delling said, “is something some man felt was a fine idea. I don't share that ideal, and nobody should impose his beliefs on me. I’m a professional businessman, I’ve no time for somebody else’s idea of self help.”

“It’s not ‘self help’ so much as better understanding.” James said.

James poured himself a drink as though stalling for a response. Delling folded his arms and glared.

“And it wasn’t one man’s idea,” Arthur said, taking a few steps toward Delling. “When you moved to this town, you knew, and therefore agreed, with the law. All men of wealth are told upfront.”

Delling knew, but he never expected to really be forced to spend time with common folk. He saw the law more as a formality, something to make the town seem more righteous to newcomers. He’d never seen anybody actually execute it, but the others, he supposed, had served their time before he arrived.

“Best be on your way.” James pointed to the clock over the fireplace. “Noon. I wish you well, and I wouldn’t recommend you telling anyone about the fine banker businessman you are. Might not go well for you.”

Delling gulped the last of his bourbon, grabbed his patched jacket from the back of the chair, and [strode stiffly] out to the waiting carriage so kindly provided by the city council. His worn [boots tromping across the hardwood floor were] his goodbye.

He [donned] his jacket to block the early October wind and nodded to the man at the reins. The driver, a puny man, waited for him to board, then yanked the straps and drove him near the poor section. Here I was wanting a little bit more background on the layout of the city travelling between the lodge and the poor district. It felt like they were just next door, and this made me wonder what the residents of the poor section thought of these pompous gentry 'slumming it' among the underprivileged masses. I suppose this opens up its own plot opportunities relating to how much the locals know or care whenever these dandies get dropped at their doorstep.

“You can walk the rest of the way,” the driver said. “Won’t do for them to see you delivered by carriage like some Mary.” He shoved a few dollars at Delling, just enough for a few days of food. “That’s your allotment. Better make the [most] of it. You’ll have to find a way to work for anything else. Enjoy your stay.”

Delling wanted to punch the weasel’s face. That just might ease his mood, but the driver pulled the reins and trotted off.

On his own now, Delling surrendered to the stench of horse manure and poverty. This would not be a good week.
 
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