The Last Ship - Military pr0n in the apocalyptic world
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Guess maybe TNT needed to fill that extra hour June 21 before Falling Skies returned. Episode 2 should be out there on demand somewhere, or will be.
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I watched the second and third episode last night. While the second episode was a good, it wasn't absolutely great because there were inconsistencies. One with a gun that somehow switched to totally new one, and another had to do a person being in the primary research facility and not in the power plant. But third episode it was a change in pace, and tension.
The Last Ship is building up slowly a world that we have seen in couple series before, but it's also different to them because we are at the beginning of second season and not at the end, where they can wave a cancellation card to shut producers down. I hope we'll going to see much more, and eventually get a some resolution on how many died during the epidemic. While last season went mostly in the apocalyptic settings, this time it seems that with the cure in hand, we can watch how post-apocalyptic world stands up and withdraws from the brink.
What will happen to the cities when 70 to 80 percent of all population is gone? Also does anyone think that the Russian geezer is going to setup a new lab to weaponize the virus?
The Last Ship is building up slowly a world that we have seen in couple series before, but it's also different to them because we are at the beginning of second season and not at the end, where they can wave a cancellation card to shut producers down. I hope we'll going to see much more, and eventually get a some resolution on how many died during the epidemic. While last season went mostly in the apocalyptic settings, this time it seems that with the cure in hand, we can watch how post-apocalyptic world stands up and withdraws from the brink.
What will happen to the cities when 70 to 80 percent of all population is gone? Also does anyone think that the Russian geezer is going to setup a new lab to weaponize the virus?
Another weakness I saw in the second episode was how easily Tex gained entrance to Amy's little empire. Seemed like all he had to do was tell the gatekeepers that "security" was his specialty, and presto! He was a guard, and a very unexpected and pivotal "inside man" in the assault.
With a death rate of 70 to 80 percent, simply distributing the cure to survivors still vulnerable to the virus is not going to do much to restore civilization. The entire world must consist of micro-regimes like Baltimore in which leaders have found ways to cope with the apocalypse.
As repugnant as it was, burning corpses to keep the lights on was a practical solution to two problems. Amy crossed the line, in even in a post-apocalyptic world, by deciding who among the living were also going to the power plant. That didn't make any sense to me. Sharing 100 percent of the world's resources among 20 to 30 percent of an immunized population should not have been a problem.
What happens to a place like Baltimore after the crew of the USS Nathan James has cleaned things up and moved on? Does a saner, more democratic government take the helm, or does something even worse take the place of what has been dismantled? A question I don't expect to see answered as the season progresses
Now that patient zero has stepped out of the shadows among the "chosen people," I think it's a pretty safe bet that they will find a way use him. He would undoubtedly be capable of creating another strain of the virus. He seems to be a walking weapon as a carrier who can wipe out an entire group of people just by giving a small boy his Swiss Army knife. That was the low point of an otherwise uplifting episode 3.
With a death rate of 70 to 80 percent, simply distributing the cure to survivors still vulnerable to the virus is not going to do much to restore civilization. The entire world must consist of micro-regimes like Baltimore in which leaders have found ways to cope with the apocalypse.
As repugnant as it was, burning corpses to keep the lights on was a practical solution to two problems. Amy crossed the line, in even in a post-apocalyptic world, by deciding who among the living were also going to the power plant. That didn't make any sense to me. Sharing 100 percent of the world's resources among 20 to 30 percent of an immunized population should not have been a problem.
What happens to a place like Baltimore after the crew of the USS Nathan James has cleaned things up and moved on? Does a saner, more democratic government take the helm, or does something even worse take the place of what has been dismantled? A question I don't expect to see answered as the season progresses
Now that patient zero has stepped out of the shadows among the "chosen people," I think it's a pretty safe bet that they will find a way use him. He would undoubtedly be capable of creating another strain of the virus. He seems to be a walking weapon as a carrier who can wipe out an entire group of people just by giving a small boy his Swiss Army knife. That was the low point of an otherwise uplifting episode 3.
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Problem that I see is with secondary infections, and contamination of water reserves. We might take clean water as granted but when all most everyone are gone, the people who used to keep things working aren't there any more. Not that they might be dead, because it's as likely that they'll have same chances as anyone to have an immunity to the pathogen. But thing is they might not even be anywhere near to where they could but their skill set in use.
So, in the third episode, they keep talking about the rebuild effort just like it stands in the book. They even beef up happy feelings by allowing certain places to to remain operational, even able to pick up manufacturing process from dead still like nothing. In the reality it doesn't work that way and it's very likely that those skilled persons might have moved away from the epicentres in effort to keep them alive. This happened in the first season, where they tried to figure out ways to keep the research going while the world around them had seized to exist.
It's true that in America people might set behind warlords, while for example in the UK, they might be more docile. We don't even have arms to wage war like Americans do. But even then, it's likely that people move away to find safe-heavens just like we have seen happening in the Walking Dead. In the states, and especially in the beginning of this season, they showed the Warlords, and then they showed that down the road everything's fine.
When Captain mentions the rebuild effort, he means resettlement, and rebuilding the society to stand upon shoulders of the predecessors. And that should happen in this season, at least in some sort of small scope, because it's very unlikely that everywhere they go anarchy implies chaos. But then we have Patient Zero and his abilities with bioengineering. Therefore he should be easily cook up something equally serious, while he finds away to mutate the virus and keep himself alive. Being a mad scientist, I find that highly plausible in fictional world - is that why they keep primordial virus alive in the new season?
Who knows. We see. It's their show. Just that they've often shown being able to cook up something wonderful before cancellation strikes.
So, in the third episode, they keep talking about the rebuild effort just like it stands in the book. They even beef up happy feelings by allowing certain places to to remain operational, even able to pick up manufacturing process from dead still like nothing. In the reality it doesn't work that way and it's very likely that those skilled persons might have moved away from the epicentres in effort to keep them alive. This happened in the first season, where they tried to figure out ways to keep the research going while the world around them had seized to exist.
It's true that in America people might set behind warlords, while for example in the UK, they might be more docile. We don't even have arms to wage war like Americans do. But even then, it's likely that people move away to find safe-heavens just like we have seen happening in the Walking Dead. In the states, and especially in the beginning of this season, they showed the Warlords, and then they showed that down the road everything's fine.
When Captain mentions the rebuild effort, he means resettlement, and rebuilding the society to stand upon shoulders of the predecessors. And that should happen in this season, at least in some sort of small scope, because it's very unlikely that everywhere they go anarchy implies chaos. But then we have Patient Zero and his abilities with bioengineering. Therefore he should be easily cook up something equally serious, while he finds away to mutate the virus and keep himself alive. Being a mad scientist, I find that highly plausible in fictional world - is that why they keep primordial virus alive in the new season?
Who knows. We see. It's their show. Just that they've often shown being able to cook up something wonderful before cancellation strikes.
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John J. Falco
As the Last Ship approaches 9 Million viewers a week, I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon. Plus I see no reason why TNT would dare cancel this since Falling Skies is ending, it just wouldn't make any business sense there. Also TNT just announced that the crew of the Nathan James will also be at comic con this year! Apparently they are ramping up some much needed PR perhaps announcing a third season. You know TNT likes to announce early, if a show is a hit. Though, the budget is another question.
We need a feel-good gung-ho American TV show to make ourselves feel better due to all the real crap going on in the world. I think like Star Trek before it, The Last Ship has that formula nailed down! This is why they are moving towards the direction you are thinking about. At least I really, hope that's the reason. I smiled multiple times during the last episode and in the days of dark gritty or period dramas, that's hard to do. Unless you are purposely watching a comedy. There is a pang of hope that they can work together and build the world back in a way that no TV show has really touched upon yet after so much destruction. Usually after the destruction the shows end at this point.
One of the best parts of the third episode was when Chandler rallied the troops to go and hunt for the labs. His speech and all the planes flying over the ship, was very patriotic. I think either the daughter or grandfather said "Dad did this." Hope was there.
Of course, you have to consider the Bay factor. Bay is not known for making deep thinking dark movies. Though this is a welcoming difference from his usual bang em ups.
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2.04 Solace
Back to the non-stop military action.
Back to the non-stop military action.
The crew of DDG-151 faces a genuine challenge in the mercenary group that took the Hospital Ship Solace, destroyed the lab and murdered most of those aboard.
The para-military group has somehow acquired the British sub shown in the opening episode scene, set five months earlier. I'm wondering who "The Boss" is going to be when the sub opens its hatch -- the spooky surviving crewman, Ramsey? Hmm. Why does that name sounds familiar?
I was surprised to learn that the "Chosen People" leader who is taking Patient One to meet the boss is not the top dog. The Boss had better be among the naturally immune, because I don't think any of the chosen knows just how lethal their new buddy is.
I like the two new kick-ass characters introduced early in this episode -- the Australian, Senior Chief Petty Officer Wolf "Wolfman" Taylor, and the Israeli, Lt. Ravit Bivas. I think the instantly smitten Burk might have actually broken the ice with Bivas by taking a bullet for her during the Solace action.
The para-military group has somehow acquired the British sub shown in the opening episode scene, set five months earlier. I'm wondering who "The Boss" is going to be when the sub opens its hatch -- the spooky surviving crewman, Ramsey? Hmm. Why does that name sounds familiar?
I was surprised to learn that the "Chosen People" leader who is taking Patient One to meet the boss is not the top dog. The Boss had better be among the naturally immune, because I don't think any of the chosen knows just how lethal their new buddy is.
I like the two new kick-ass characters introduced early in this episode -- the Australian, Senior Chief Petty Officer Wolf "Wolfman" Taylor, and the Israeli, Lt. Ravit Bivas. I think the instantly smitten Burk might have actually broken the ice with Bivas by taking a bullet for her during the Solace action.
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They had a couple of inconsistencies that doesn't go with the military doctrine, but I can let them slide as a writer I understand the importance of drama over the accuracy. You just cannot get things right all the time and be able to justify them. Not even from producers point of view. But, I for one, did enjoy storming of the ship and not actually blowing it up.
Actually I thought for a while: "Brilliant, they are really going down the BSG route and acquire a fleet of ship." So, I understand the decision on sending the Hospital Ship back on shore as with the sub, it would be one big floating target to those that welcomes the apocalypse. I cannot believe for one second that they chose to portray British as all round gangstasm not talking about that from all of the subs they could had stolen, they chose Astute-class attack submarine.
Good luck playing cat-and-mouse with it.
If they wanted to assemble a BSG-style rag-tag fleet, it looked as if they had plenty of warship choices docked in Norfolk. My guess is that the producers realized that finding enough surviving sailors to man those boats would have been a stretch. Either that, or they just didn't want to pay what the U.S. Navy would have charged to move the ships out of camera range.
At least they used an assortment of nationalities to make up the mercenary force.
At least they used an assortment of nationalities to make up the mercenary force.
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John J. Falco
No I think it's more simple than that. They probably don't want to introduce us to much more characters that could be considered main. This is after all, about The LAST ship. It would be silly to make a lot of ships become a part of the whole thing. With their own captains and whatnot. It would become a huge mess and I would hate to see that.
Warren_Paul
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Love the introduction of an Australian character. Wolf is quickly becoming one of my favourites.
2.05 Achilles
Suspenseful, like Hunt for Red October suspenseful.
Suspenseful, like Hunt for Red October suspenseful.
Chalk one up for the bad guys. Hope some of the lab facilities survived the missiles.
It really kept me on the edge.
One nit-picking point. It was a stretch to accept a low-ranking member of the original sub crew being able to find and train a new, all-immune crew and take over as captain. Beyond that, we are asked to accept that he is the global leader of "The Selected," which has already conquered Europe.
2.06 Long Day's Journey
Cripes! Not only does the Nathan James crew need to beat the sub to the punch, they need to somehow wrest mob control from Ramsey.
I liked the vulture team going under cover as members of the “chosen,” awaiting the opportunity to take action. It won't be enough to simply open fire. They are going to need at least one convincing hearts-and-minds speech to bring the immune to their senses. Chandler should be up for that.
I liked the vulture team going under cover as members of the “chosen,” awaiting the opportunity to take action. It won't be enough to simply open fire. They are going to need at least one convincing hearts-and-minds speech to bring the immune to their senses. Chandler should be up for that.
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It seemed a bit biased: The Spanish is the merc and the Aussie is the good guy. It seems that the Australian market is more important to the series that the Spanish (and European) one.
But the last episode I saw was very good (2.05), and the show is one of the best running at the moment.
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Episode six of Season 2 was another star trek type episode! Especially when
That is so Kirk, or at least someone in Star Trek would say that at some point to someone above them in rank...
The beginning of this episode was a little slow, but then the sub chasing scene reminded me too much of a Klingon Bird of Prey on the hunt for her target. The Europeans plan to dose children was hideously evil and enough to make me hate them, like it should have. I'm not going to get into the race stuff here I don't over analyze shows like this. What are you guys expecting kumbaya or Aliens?? Someone has to be the bad guy.
Chandler throws the President into the Brig and says, "with all due respect!!!"
The beginning of this episode was a little slow, but then the sub chasing scene reminded me too much of a Klingon Bird of Prey on the hunt for her target. The Europeans plan to dose children was hideously evil and enough to make me hate them, like it should have. I'm not going to get into the race stuff here I don't over analyze shows like this. What are you guys expecting kumbaya or Aliens?? Someone has to be the bad guy.
2.07 Alone and Unafraid
Just when you might have thought that "The Chosen" leaders could not possibly be more psychotically evil, they launch the "Kill Children with Teddy Bears" project. Was that the brainchild of Ramsey or Niels?
I don't see the logic in annihilating every surviving human who is not naturally immune to the virus. Being immune to one virus doesn't mean they'll be immune to the next mutation to come along.
I suppose they needed a continuing conflict to fuel season two. It would have been fairly ho-hum to watch the cure being mass produced and distributed with everyone living happily ever after.
Nice that Green took the last few seconds of their escape with the "President" to incinerate the disease-carrying bears. Too bad Niels didn't bleed out before they got back to the Nathan James.
I don't see the logic in annihilating every surviving human who is not naturally immune to the virus. Being immune to one virus doesn't mean they'll be immune to the next mutation to come along.
I suppose they needed a continuing conflict to fuel season two. It would have been fairly ho-hum to watch the cure being mass produced and distributed with everyone living happily ever after.
Nice that Green took the last few seconds of their escape with the "President" to incinerate the disease-carrying bears. Too bad Niels didn't bleed out before they got back to the Nathan James.
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Very strong episode.
The virus is stable. It isn't mutating at the moment. Too many hosts has died, but so many are still alive. To the Chosen those extra people are a nuisance. They need to be destroyed so that the world can breath under new leadership ... as if that was going to ever happen. But I cannot see how it's going to happen under the presidental leadership. The man is too unstable to hold the position. Captain would be better if he'd tossed him overboard and be done with it, because I for one don't trust that man. He's a professional liar .... I mean a politician.
So, the need to salute is captain's white whale. What happened to all other ships? Did they all went to bottom?
The virus is stable. It isn't mutating at the moment. Too many hosts has died, but so many are still alive. To the Chosen those extra people are a nuisance. They need to be destroyed so that the world can breath under new leadership ... as if that was going to ever happen. But I cannot see how it's going to happen under the presidental leadership. The man is too unstable to hold the position. Captain would be better if he'd tossed him overboard and be done with it, because I for one don't trust that man. He's a professional liar .... I mean a politician.
So, the need to salute is captain's white whale. What happened to all other ships? Did they all went to bottom?
2.08 Safe Zone
Always interesting to see a battle for someone's mind, instead of the usual battle with firearms.
Always interesting to see a battle for someone's mind, instead of the usual battle with firearms.
Chandler made the right call with the new President, despite the XO's usual gung-ho snap judgment. Now the war for hearts and minds begins. And it wouldn't hurt to destroy that sub in the meantime.
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