Frederik Pohl, thoughts?

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Frederik Pohl is one of the well renowned classic authors of SF but I don't see any threads dedicated to this author.

What are people's thoughts on this author? What are his best works? What about his many collaborations with C.M. Kornbluth?

Personally, I've only read "The Space Merchants", a novel that he co-wrote with C.M. Kornbluth but I thought that was a superb novel, although written about 60 years ago, is more relevent than ever. Besides that, I read a short story by him called "The Tunnel Under the World" in an anthology years ago.

Right now, I'm reading "Wolfbane", another collaboration with C.M. Kornbluth.
 
I recently started reading his HeeChee books. The first was brilliant, the second IMO much much poorer. And I have been told they continue to go downhill from there. I haven't yet decided whether to persist and read the rest of them.
 
I would agree with Vertigo that Gateway, is one fine novel. I read the next two in the series, and when googling this found there are 3 others I have not read. I'm in a quandary now. It's hard to see how there could be sequels to HeeChee Rendezvous, I thought book two Beyond the Blue Event Horizon was a fine read and was anxious for the story to end, and I felt it did. That there are 3 more makes me less anxious than I would have expected to read them.

In summary, I would say Gateway is a must read for any SF fan, the next two far above average, and the last 3? I'll have to read to judge.
 
Well, I've read not only the HeeChee series (in its entirety, and agree that it does not maintain the promise of the first book) and the Kornbluth collaborations (including "gladiator at law", which I fornd excellent at the time – um, about half a century ago) But Man plus, syzygy, the world at the end of time, starburst, the starchild novels with Williamson, JEM, slave ship, drunkards walk… not to mention several oodles of short stories. And those were only the ones that particularly marked me.

So I suppose you have to file me as a fan, or perhaps just someone who was around at the right time.
 
Just wanted to add another voice in favor of Gateway. As with several other series, I loved the first but felt it was sufficient in and of itself.

I'm less awed by The Space Merchants. Much as I love Kornbluth's short stories, I found the satire in TSM a bit obvious and one-note. Not an awful book, just not, for me, as great as advertised.


Randy M.
 
Pohl is... a bit odd. His work doesn't meet expectations a great deal of the time, yet there is often more there than first meets the eye. A good example is "Day One Million", which has had a variety of responses. My own take on it these days (as opposed to originally) is that it is a brilliant tour-de-force that addresses many of the concepts of what science fiction, futurism, romanticism, nostalgia, etc., as well as the limits of our imagination of what the future holds. "The Day After the Day the Martians Came" is a bit more obvious, but still holds up as a wonderful use of sf as a lens with which to examine our interactions with each other and our own biases. And so on.

I'm not terribly familiar with a broad range of his work, but I must admit that, even where I feel he didn't pull it off, I've found them worth reading because of the way they provoked me to think about various issues....
 
He is one of those authors i tried few years ago when i became SF fan. I wanted to read Gateway or Space Merchants or Man Plus.

I choose Man Plus which had interesting whats human about that man who was changed. Still it was too dated, only decent novel for me. Why i havent read yet another Pohl novel since that book 5 years ago.
 
Well, after finishing "Wolfbane", I have to say that I'm disappointed. This was not a patch on "The Space Merchants". Where that felt timeless and well written, this felt dated and rushed.
 
Interesting timing. I was just trying to recall the name of that book where there was a bunch of alien spaceships that you could take out on a voyage and end up either rich or dead. Couldn't remember the title or the author. Saw the name Pohl and things started to click. Obviously, now, it was Gateway. I recall not being impressed enough at the time to read any more of the HeeChee books, but obviously it did leave some kind of impression, didn't it?
 
Looking over his bibliography, I see I underestimated how much of him I've read in the short story thread. Most of this is from long-ago memory, so reader beware.

The Space Merchants (1953)

The first Kornbluth novel collaboration. An all-time brilliant classic satire (or can it be satire if it's so accurate?) about advertising, mass media, and consumption culture.

Search the Sky (1954)

A surprisingly poor follow up with Kornbluth that is episodic and recycles stories and ideas from the authors' other, better work. More details.

Gladiator-at-Law (1955)

The third Kornbluth novel collaboration which tackles law, giant corporations, reality television, utopian government plans and more. Perhaps not up there with The Space Merchants, but close - this is what reviewers often call "a return to form". (I read this recently but apparently made no specific post.)

Preferred Risk (1955)

This was a collaboration with Lester del Rey and I'm not sure I read it but I feel like I have. It obviously wasn't memorable so I guess it was neither great nor awful. I think it took on the insurance industry in a less-than-Kornbluthian way.

Slave Ship (1957)

This was his first solo novel. I know I did read this but I've almost completely forgotten it, too. I think it was adequate.

Wolfbane (1959)

This is the final, belated, novel-length collaboration of Pohl and Kornbluth. This really has nothing to do with the first three as this is more surreal and less satirical, set further in the future and so on. I forget the details but I liked it a lot. But if you're looking for the next Space Merchants or Gladiator, this ain't it.

The Gold at the Starbow's End (1972)

His productivity slowed in the 60s as he was busy editing and still agenting some somewhere in there but these stories were probably the first fruits of his post editing career (he was still editing books for Bantam and did great things for SF - but also inflicted Dhalgren on us - but I don't think this took as much time as editing Galaxy and If). A good collection. More details.

The Best of Frederik Pohl (1975)

An indispensable collection covering his solo short fiction from 1954-67. He'd written fairly minor work under a variety of pseudonyms since about 1941, when any New York teenager could apparently get published and even become editor of things hardly distinguishable from fanzines, but this work is from a peak of his short fiction career and, other than his Kornbluth collaborations, this short fiction is the core of his work until the 70s.

Man Plus (1976)

I haven't read this in a million years and maybe it is dated, but I loved it when I first read it and this may have been the first Pohl I read. Ever since I read Gateway I've thought Gateway gets the edge but I think of those two as a (qualitative peak) tandem. Rather than terraforming Mars, a man is surgically areomorphed (hey, I just made up a cool word - I think) into this.

Gateway (1977)

"Masterpiece" is overused but here it is. Broadhead, von Shrink, lost Moynlin, the Heechee lottery. Death or riches. Psychology without being dull. Unforgettable. Great.

The Way the Future Was (1978)

An autobiography and history of SF fandom and SF in general. Excellent.

Jem (1979)

I don't remember this - I only remember intensely disliking it - but I don't even remember why. But it was highly regarded by many.

Beyond the Blue Event Horizon (1980)

A pale skippable shadow of the original which focuses on the wrong thing to sequel, really.

Heechee Rendezvous (1984)

Ditto. I think I gave up on the series here.

The Merchants' War (1984)

Pohl's solo sequel to the original classic after over 30 years. That's a recipe for disaster and I desperately need to re-read this because it probably was, but I remember liking it just fine. Obviously not like the original, but I remember liking it.

Black Star Rising (1985)

China takes over the world. I hated this one.

The Coming of the Quantum Cats (1986)

I didn't seek this out directly and I can't remember if I read some or all of this as it was in a magazine serial. Seems like it was better than the worst but worse than the best.

Because of the batting average of his '79-'85 works, I gave up on Pohl for a long time. I still haven't read anything more recent but went back and read some of the older works above.

Still in the TBR: The Wonder Effect (1962), In the Problem Pit (1976), Pohlstars (1984). I think the first is partly made up of Pohl/Kornbluth collaborations and partly Kornbluth fragments Pohl finished. The other two collect almost all the rest of his 70s and early 80s short fiction, which I think/suspect is his second short fiction peak phase.

And several years back, when I was still on the Asimov's board (when there still was an Asimov's board) he dropped by and I don't remember the specifics but most of us gathered around the thread and said how much we liked X, Y, or Z, and he seemed very cool. Award-winning editor, award-winning writer, significant agent, even award-winning fan writer for his blog (which I have an RSS subscription to and read regularly) and SFWA Grand Master. A major figure.
 
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Pohl novels you have read J-Sun, that was most informative.
 
He's not bad but he can't hold candle to David Brin. Well, few can top Brin's Uplift.
 
Indeed some useful thought there J-Sun and since my take on the Heechee novels almost exactly mirrors yours I shall maybe add a couple of those books to me TBR!
 
I used the search function to track down "ideas".

The Space Merchants is one of the books I recommend the most. I do not so much regard it as satire as prophecy. All you have to do is watch television and then study technology. I have a Linux book from 2001, it surprised me but did not shock me by talking about the Planned Obsolescence of computer software.

So what has happened since then: Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8.

And Lo and Behold 9 is coming.

Guess what? It has Virtual Desktops that I have been using on Linux for 12 years. I am so impressed.

Read:

The Screwing of the Average Man (1974) by David Hapgood
http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/rape10.shtml
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006W84KK/?tag=brite-21

and the book is not really satire.

psik
 

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